From:   grimwomyn <>
Sent time:   Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:00:44 AM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] the next phase OccupyBronx

yeah-- as a new yorker, they want us all in the ghetto so we are out

of sight and out of mind culturally it is important to be on the upper

east side.


On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Gabriel Johnson <> wrote:

> See… I kind of think we should go the other direction; be where the money

> is. That being, of course, Midtown or the Upper East Side.

> --glj


> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM, David DeGraw <>

> wrote:


>> think we need to go into a deeply impoverished area in the Bronx.  The

>> bronx has the highest poverty rate in NYC, about 30%.  we go there, the

>> media comes with us. forces coverage, major spark OccupyBronx



>> On 10/11/2011 8:02 AM, Carwil Bjork-James wrote:


>>> A couple thoughts on next steps:


>>> 1. A twin space, soon. Zuccotti Park is just plain crowded, and

>>> doesn't have a ton of room for new campers. A second, stable-ish,

>>> perhaps POPS, location in Lower Manhattan could provide additional

>>> room for people to be near Wall Street. This would facilitate mass

>>> actions in the financial district while growing the movement.


>>> 2. Mass actions in the financial district. Use your own imagination.


>>> 3. Holding a space that is more a place of gathering than a launchpad

>>> for confrontation. Weekly (for now) use of Washington Square could

>>> build to that. So could some kind of plaza occupation across Brooklyn,

>>> Harlem, Washington Heights, and the rest of the outer boroughs. It's

>>> yet to be seen how intense the police response will be in such places.

>>> In all cases, an easy flow between regular events, continuous

>>> presence, and full-on occupation and transformation can be played

>>> with.


>>> 3a. At some point, one location will be the first public park (as

>>> opposed to POPS) to be held. We should focus as much OWS energy as

>>> possible on maintaining it and setting the kind of "new normal" Beka

>>> is talking about. My guess is the first possibility will take the form

>>> of #3, not the form of #1, but I'd love to be surprised at Battery

>>> Park or Foley Square.


>>> 4. The constant circulation of people through Zuccotti is accumulating

>>> projects (greywater, printing, a spiritual gathering place). I'd love

>>> to see this also happening in a permanently held place: a warehouse,

>>> public space of a park, a student center, a union hall, etc. As winter

>>> comes, the need for physically warm spaces shouldn't mean a retreat to

>>> less space transformation, but to the hive-for-occupation conversion

>>> of friendly or occupied buildings.


>>> 4a. For those of us with access to buildings, but not control over

>>> them (I'm thinking universities for the moment), we can start by

>>> turning these places into hives of activity for occupiers and only

>>> later initiate formal occupations. I'm thinking about numerous ongoing

>>> "conferences" that actually have "workshops" that do work for the

>>> movement: printing, designing, building, training, and by-the-by

>>> keeping people warm. As always, a critical mass at such a place could

>>> hope to hold the building. But the priority (from my perspective) is

>>> not to make demands with a closed occupation, but to do collective

>>> work with an open one.


>>> 5. Assuming a critical mass and a regional convergence on NYC,

>>> occupying symbolically powerful public spaces. Do people know that

>>> 1,000+ artists occupied the Met during the 1970 "student" strike

>>> against the invasion of Cambodia? Federal Hall, the site of the first

>>> US Congress is on Wall Street. Wall Street itself. Downtown. Midtown.


>>> Just some thoughts,

>>> Carwil


>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos

>>> <>  wrote:



>>>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park

>>>> indefinitely:


>>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic.

>>>> Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we

>>>> will

>>>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and

>>>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise

>>>> ourselves

>>>> that this will not be the case.”

>>>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for

>>>> the

>>>> long haul.  There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to

>>>> make

>>>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer

>>>> an

>>>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and

>>>> integrated.

>>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the

>>>> space

>>>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but

>>>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we

>>>> do

>>>> it again, we push further.

>>>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the

>>>> game.  I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about

>>>> ways

>>>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15.

>>>>  And

>>>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the

>>>> way.

>>>> xob


>>>> --

>>>> New:


>>>> Not An Alternative