From:   shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:38:59 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training
 

Christopher Columbus was the first ZIONIST ===don't you guys get it?

The same colonial narrative--genocide.

We must endorse the Declaration of First Nation Peoples, in

solidarity, for the plight of all people of color.

Cesar and Bahareh, i agree-- this is most urgent.

 

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:36 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't see the cross-purposes.  US needs a secure base in the middle of oil

> country.  My larger point, however, is that it is wholly insufficient to

> attack the economic system without understanding that, whatever the economic

> system, unsustainable growth based on burning fuel is doomed to catastrophe.

>

> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Martin Kaminer <martin.kaminer@gmail.com>

> wrote:

>>

>> I'm not clear on the connection between unquenchable thirst for oil and

>> unshakable support for Israel -- those would seem to work at cross-purposes,

>> no?

>>

>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:43 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> Any acknowledgment of US military oppression and the "war on terror" as

>>> well as the stranglehold that corporations have on politics and the economy

>>> should include the primary motivation, the largest - by far most profitable

>>> - industry in the world, which is the extraction of fossil fuels.

>>> Dependence on oil (enforced by multi-national corporate interests) is the

>>> most perniciously destructive aspect of modern society.  We've already taken

>>> all the easily available oil and now have turned to more exotic, desperate

>>> and dangerous methods of obtaining non-renewable, dirty energy, including

>>> deep water drilling (Gulf oil spill?),  nuclear (Fukushima anyone?), and

>>> destroying entire regional ecosystems through mountaintop removal for coal,

>>> "natural" gas fracking, and tar sands.

>>> The 99% are going to have no economy to recover if we continue to poison

>>> the planet.  The entire Mideast is going to become literally uninhabitable

>>> as the climate heats up, and all this squabbling over the scraps will have

>>> been a waste of time.

>>> Focus on the real enemy.  Exxon,  BP, the Koch brothers, Massey

>>> Energy...the list is long.

>>>

>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Matthew Presto

>>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine

>>>> are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the

>>>> occupation on Sunday afternoon.

>>>>

>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better?

>>>>>

>>>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was

>>>>> > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to

>>>>> > bring attention to the failed policies.

>>>>> >

>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com>

>>>>> > wrote:

>>>>> >> I am happy to help with a teach-in.

>>>>> >>

>>>>> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com>

>>>>> >> wrote:

>>>>> >>

>>>>> >> I agree wholeheartedly.  As an arab-american with Palestinian roots,

>>>>> >> I've

>>>>> >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the

>>>>> >> square.

>>>>> >>  This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is

>>>>> >> really

>>>>> >> heartwarming and encouraging.  There are of course differences of

>>>>> >> opinion,

>>>>> >> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a

>>>>> >> zionist

>>>>> >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with

>>>>> >> OWS to

>>>>> >> have their own opinions regarding this issue.

>>>>> >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and

>>>>> >> being

>>>>> >> afraid to hear all sides.  What it sounds like happened (and I

>>>>> >> wasn't there,

>>>>> >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger

>>>>> >> signs and

>>>>> >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable

>>>>> >> truth.  If

>>>>> >> this isn't then time, then when?

>>>>> >> OWS is not about being comfortable.  Isn't this supposed to be a

>>>>> >> place where

>>>>> >> voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard?  If anyone

>>>>> >> has any

>>>>> >> critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be

>>>>> >> fairly

>>>>> >> considered.  The specific context of the J-14 protests is

>>>>> >> specifically

>>>>> >> concerning:  yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours

>>>>> >> in form

>>>>> >> and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel

>>>>> >> happened half a

>>>>> >> century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes

>>>>> >> and

>>>>> >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized

>>>>> >> policy of

>>>>> >> racism and apartheid.  These are facts that are, at this point,

>>>>> >> impossible

>>>>> >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and

>>>>> >> material

>>>>> >> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue

>>>>> >> of basic

>>>>> >> human rights.  To speak of the J14 protests without at least

>>>>> >> acknowledging

>>>>> >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main

>>>>> >> central

>>>>> >> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive

>>>>> >> to

>>>>> >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system

>>>>> >> currently

>>>>> >> creates.  Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the

>>>>> >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of

>>>>> >> Israel

>>>>> >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests.

>>>>> >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between

>>>>> >> different

>>>>> >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic.  I truly

>>>>> >> believe

>>>>> >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to

>>>>> >> happen, I've

>>>>> >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again.

>>>>> >> Thanks,

>>>>> >> Layan

>>>>> >>

>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com

>>>>> >> <acpollack2@juno.com>

>>>>> >> wrote:

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>> Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach

>>>>> >>> training. I

>>>>> >>> was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction

>>>>> >>> would be

>>>>> >>> an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement

>>>>> >>> which was

>>>>> >>> fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen

>>>>> >>> land.

>>>>> >>> OWS has responded to criticisms of

>>>>> >>> inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by

>>>>> >>> and

>>>>> >>> regarding people of color by fostering discussion and

>>>>> >>> restructuring. The

>>>>> >>> racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges

>>>>> >>> from

>>>>> >>> Palestinians by telling them, "shut

>>>>> >>> up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement."

>>>>> >>> I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and

>>>>> >>> it was

>>>>> >>> as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of

>>>>> >>> outreach and

>>>>> >>> democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or

>>>>> >>> inclusion of

>>>>> >>> their issues.

>>>>> >>> When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been

>>>>> >>> discussion

>>>>> >>> time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above

>>>>> >>> points.

>>>>> >>> Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and

>>>>> >>> calls of

>>>>> >>> "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began.

>>>>> >>> One of

>>>>> >>> the facilitators asked the

>>>>> >>> speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did

>>>>> >>> outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the

>>>>> >>> movement.

>>>>> >>> You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians

>>>>> >>> in the

>>>>> >>> movement won't be settled here."

>>>>> >>> Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge

>>>>> >>> Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of

>>>>> >>> the

>>>>> >>> biggest components. They want their land back, they want their

>>>>> >>> homes back,

>>>>> >>> and they want the right to return. They have no

>>>>> >>> interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews to

>>>>> >>> Jews

>>>>> >>> for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of

>>>>> >>> exclusionary

>>>>> >>> laws passed by your racist state.

>>>>> >>> I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially

>>>>> >>> its

>>>>> >>> labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to

>>>>> >>> join in.

>>>>> >>> That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where

>>>>> >>> OWS

>>>>> >>> stands on these issues.

>>>>> >>> I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events

>>>>> >>> for fear

>>>>> >>> that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion of

>>>>> >>> a racist

>>>>> >>> Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of their

>>>>> >>> homes,

>>>>> >>> when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying

>>>>> >>> thousands of

>>>>> >>> olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes

>>>>> >>> a speaker

>>>>> >>> who thinks this is all irrelevant?

>>>>> >>> I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the

>>>>> >>> leadership of

>>>>> >>> OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a

>>>>> >>> discussion

>>>>> >>> -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color

>>>>> >>> committee,

>>>>> >>> and a representative group from

>>>>> >>> the OWS leadership -- to resolve this.

>>>>> >>> How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Mohammed

>>>>> >>> Ezzeldin on

>>>>> >>> Saturday and then promote this racist tonight?

>>>>> >>> The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the

>>>>> >>> refugees

>>>>> >>> in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic

>>>>> >>> Palestine by

>>>>> >>> crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down.

>>>>> >>> Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current

>>>>> >>> Palestinian

>>>>> >>> hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the

>>>>> >>> prisoners,

>>>>> >>> Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not

>>>>> >>> Palestine!" How can we let them down?

>>>>> >>> Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where

>>>>> >>> they

>>>>> >>> were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity

>>>>> >>> movement.

>>>>> >>> In solidarity (I hope),

>>>>> >>> Andy Pollack

>>>>> >>> Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition

>>>>> >>> For background and context:

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-protest-really-about

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignores-arabs/10374

>>>>> >>> http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>> http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolution-israeli-social-justice-and-the-s

>>>>> >>> eparation-principle/#more-2195

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>

>>>>> >>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

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