From:   grimwomyn <>
Sent time:   Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:15:32 AM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] the next phase OccupyBronx

um- I think Justine is just offering to set up a site, not monopolize anything-- right justine?

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Winter Siroco <> wrote:
Justine, think it twice before monopolizing
David, think it twice before occupying a marginalized area with gentrification conflicts.
Excuse me if I cannot be more politically incorrect, but I am trying.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Justine <> wrote:
Anyone want to buy the domain so I can set you guys up with a website?

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM, David DeGraw <> wrote:
think we need to go into a deeply impoverished area in the Bronx.  The bronx has the highest poverty rate in NYC, about 30%.  we go there, the media comes with us. forces coverage, major spark OccupyBronx

On 10/11/2011 8:02 AM, Carwil Bjork-James wrote:
A couple thoughts on next steps:

1. A twin space, soon. Zuccotti Park is just plain crowded, and
doesn't have a ton of room for new campers. A second, stable-ish,
perhaps POPS, location in Lower Manhattan could provide additional
room for people to be near Wall Street. This would facilitate mass
actions in the financial district while growing the movement.

2. Mass actions in the financial district. Use your own imagination.

3. Holding a space that is more a place of gathering than a launchpad
for confrontation. Weekly (for now) use of Washington Square could
build to that. So could some kind of plaza occupation across Brooklyn,
Harlem, Washington Heights, and the rest of the outer boroughs. It's
yet to be seen how intense the police response will be in such places.
In all cases, an easy flow between regular events, continuous
presence, and full-on occupation and transformation can be played

3a. At some point, one location will be the first public park (as
opposed to POPS) to be held. We should focus as much OWS energy as
possible on maintaining it and setting the kind of "new normal" Beka
is talking about. My guess is the first possibility will take the form
of #3, not the form of #1, but I'd love to be surprised at Battery
Park or Foley Square.

4. The constant circulation of people through Zuccotti is accumulating
projects (greywater, printing, a spiritual gathering place). I'd love
to see this also happening in a permanently held place: a warehouse,
public space of a park, a student center, a union hall, etc. As winter
comes, the need for physically warm spaces shouldn't mean a retreat to
less space transformation, but to the hive-for-occupation conversion
of friendly or occupied buildings.

4a. For those of us with access to buildings, but not control over
them (I'm thinking universities for the moment), we can start by
turning these places into hives of activity for occupiers and only
later initiate formal occupations. I'm thinking about numerous ongoing
"conferences" that actually have "workshops" that do work for the
movement: printing, designing, building, training, and by-the-by
keeping people warm. As always, a critical mass at such a place could
hope to hold the building. But the priority (from my perspective) is
not to make demands with a closed occupation, but to do collective
work with an open one.

5. Assuming a critical mass and a regional convergence on NYC,
occupying symbolically powerful public spaces. Do people know that
1,000+ artists occupied the Met during the 1970 "student" strike
against the invasion of Cambodia? Federal Hall, the site of the first
US Congress is on Wall Street. Wall Street itself. Downtown. Midtown.

Just some thoughts,

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos
<>  wrote:
Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park
And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic.
Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will
someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and
nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves
that this will not be the case.”
Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the
long haul.  There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make
us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an
uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and
It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space
of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but
maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do
it again, we push further.
That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the
game.  I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways
to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15.  And
that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way.

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