|From:||Peter Harris <firstname.lastname@example.org>|
|Sent time:||Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:18:05 PM|
|To:||email@example.com; globalrevolutionmedia <firstname.lastname@example.org>|
|Subject:||[GlobalRevolutionMedia] RE: Occupy Wall St Front Page Nonsense|
I know this topic has gotten a lot of “feedback” within our email distribution and personally agree that retracting the piece would do more harm than good. I would like to propose that we post a small piece/essay on the ethics of a police officer. A reminder of the oath they have taken to become an officer, their commitment to act with honesty, courtesy and regard to the welfare of others.
Or leave well enough alone and don’t bring more attention to it…
From: Kobi skolnick [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: Occupy Wall St Front Page Nonsense
I really want to sleep but feel urge to write about it. Few thoughts: We are diverse group with different perspectives, experiences in life, world views, and opinions. For me it is beautiful and challenging at the same time. I belief that this email exchange is reflection of it. We can learn from each other endlessly as we grow together in this process.
If you beat up by police and / or live in certain neighborhoods in this country, the concept of 'police state' is very real. When every male around you had been to jail for the same crime that others at a near by neighborhood commit on a daily basis, you do feel in a police state. I have been in 35 states and dozens of cities and talk to people; this take place almost in every big city but there are not always camera or interest...
We do not need to be afraid of spontaneity, authenticity and yes, some bitterness, it is the beauty of been human, we are not politictions and this is NOT political campaign, we are people's voices and some time it is not clean PR as we like it to be, we will do mistakes and it is totally okay.
I hope each of us would have much needed restful night!
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:39 AM, Ed Needham <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
no retracting it would just make it look worse.
Let's be sure we are separating the two issues for the sake of this discussion. A swift and forceful note condemning the action and re-affirming our solidarity with boston brothers and sisters was necessitated. without question
The concerns relate to how this was done in mindfullness of the next time we face a similar situation.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:05 AM, <Shermanjnyc@aol.com> wrote:
Today's my first day with the group, so indulge me, please. There are two police organizations in NYC: The Latino Officers Association and the Guardians (Black police officers) who have taken issue with NYPD tactics in the past and might "independently" comment on how the BP and NYPD have been reacting to the Occupy movement. I'll bring it up at tomorrow's meeting,for discussion.
In a message dated 10/11/2011 11:58:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, email@example.com writes:
I agree that we should not retract it now. The deed is done. However, this needs to be addressed as a process issue in the future.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Revolution Media <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
It would look awful for us to retract something like this. Those people who were assaulted are comrades. We need to show unwavering support. We are the example for other occupations worldwide and we have enough goodwill to float us through what may have been a PR misstep earlier in the occupation.
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Ed Needham <email@example.com> wrote:
>this is the issue, in my take of it. we should of denounced it immediately
>and showed the footage to drive home the point and left it to that. but this
>is what followed: it doesn't serve any objective, muddies up the original
>message and comes off as inflammatory and unfocused:
>> These actions go beyond unconscionable, they're *unthinkable*. If this was
>> war, the BPD could be found guilty of war crimes:
>> Chapter IV, Article 25 of the Geneva Convention states that "Members of the
>> armed forces specially trained for employment, should the need arise, as
>> hospital orderlies, nurses or auxiliary stretcher-bearers, in the search for
>> or the collection, transport or treatment of the wounded and sick shall
>> likewise be respected and protected if they are carrying out these duties at
>> the time when they come into contact with the enemy or fall into his hands.
>> Every day the actions of the BPD, NYPD, etc. continue to remind us that the
>> police no longer fight to "protect and serve" the American people, but
>> rather the wealth and power of the 1%. With each passing day, as the
>> violence of the state continues to escalate, the myth of American
>> "democracy" becomes further shattered.
>> THIS IS WHAT A POLICE STATE LOOKS LIKE
>> And *we are* what democracy looks like. We do not fear your power and we
>> will continue to fight for a better world. We will never stop growing and
>> each day we'll continue to expand, block by block and city by city. We call
>> upon others to join us, to take a stand against these ever encroaching
>> threats to our liberty. We commend the brave actions of our sisters and
>> brothers in Boston and condemn the BPD leadership. We call upon the
>> rank-and-file police officers of this country to disobey such orders and
>> remember that they protect and serve *the people*. You are one of us, the
>> 99% and we're too big to fail.
>On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Patrick Bruner <firstname.lastname@example.org>wrote:
>> What's the issue? Calling on cops to not beat on protesters?
>> On Oct 11, 11:05 pm, Ed Needham <edneed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > oh my word. that's just terrible stuff. granted we needed to come out in
>> > support of the Boston folks, but we could have done that with two
>> > and a video.
>> > we would do well to have some sort of communications double check before
>> > anything is shown or said externally.
>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Tyler Combelic <
>> > > occupywallst.org
>> > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Kira Annika <kira.ann...@gmail.com
>> > >> This on the cover of what?
>> > >> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >> On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Tyler Combelic <tyler.combe...@gmail.com
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> > Do we know who posted the front page piece on OWS? It claims we live
>> > >> a police state, and pretty much declares all police everywhere an
>> enemy of
>> > >> democracy. I always find the fire and brimstone rhetoric a good way to
>> > >> appeal to the base, but it is also a spectacular way to alienate
>> > >> America.
>> > >> > This is the kind of thing that can be twisted into PR disaster.
>> > --
>> > Edward Needham
>> > Cambridge, MA
>> > http://democratdeal.com/
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