From:   Tarak Kauff <>
Sent time:   Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:54:42 PM
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park

IMHO this is wrong - Bloomberg dictating terms to OWS. He and whoever

else he wants should offer to meet in open and respectful negotiations

with a designated committee from OWS as equals and talk about his

concerns for clean up, if OWD is amenable to that. Then the committee

can bring whatever offer Bloomberg and company make back to the

assembly and get back to Bloomberg with a response. Let him know that

Liberty Park belongs to the people. Let him know that neither he nor

the police brutality can dictate terms to the people. Private property

my ass. It was stolen originally from the Indians.


As many of you know October2011 recently accepted an offer by the NPS

in DC to extend their permit (which had expired) for an additional 4

months. We did not ask for an extension of the permit (the police

offered it) and we were prepared to stay without one. (The purpose of

the original permit was only to get our foot in the door effectively).

We made it very clear to the police that we intended to stay with or

without a permit. The negotiators from Freedom Plaza gave no

concessions, made no deals, also made it clear that non-violent

resistance actions would continue in DC. But by virtue of the

popularity of the OWS movements around the country and by virtue of

what has been achieved already by those in Liberty PLaza the police in

DC realized that any attempt to remove us would look very bad,

consequently we were in a position of power. We had already set up

tents, been sleeping at the park and serving food, all beyond the

original restrictions of the permit. So when the police offered and

extension with no strings attached, the assembly decided to take it.


What happens from here on out depends on the numbers we have. If the

numbers drop in Freedom Plaza the police can find an excuse to move us

out, but for now we are relatively secure.


There is a difference between police in DC and in NYC. In my

experience the NYC police and the city administration are much more

brutal and arrogant with regard to protests.


That said, I think Bloomberg may also realize how bad he will look if

he has the police try to forcibly remove people from Liberty Plaza. So

my suggestion is to negotiate and give up nothing. Make everything

public, insist on complete transparency. OWS may be able to get the

city to actually help clean up the park without giving up anything.




On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, JeremyToG wrote:


Possibly cruel question to ask: "Why can't you clean with us around



Alternatively, help with the cleaning to be part of it without having

to leave the area. Or encircle any areas to be cleaned so that they

don't get blocked off.


On Oct 12, 9:52 pm, wrote:

> That's bizarre. Any idea when they plan to show up?










> On 10/12/11,beka economopoulos<>wrote:I

> find this to be of great concern: “The cleaning will be done in

> stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that

> have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield

> has established for the park.”


> It was precisely this process thatended the M-15 encampmentsin Spain

> this past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has

> established for the park" mean?




> Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media

> response (or choose not to), determine game plan for this as a

> possible scenario, most likely in the wee hours of the night.




> Beka


> ---------- Forwarded message ----------From:Colin Moynihan <

> >Date:October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM

> EDTTo:kira.annika@gmail.comSubject:from: Colin Moynihan; City hall

> statement



> evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talkwith the

> protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morningBrookfield

> Properties will clean the park.“Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti

> Park, and built it as an amenityfor the general public. As the

> protest has continued, Brookfield hasexpressed concern about its

> inability to clean the park and maintainit in a condition fit for

> public use. Brookfield conveyed theseconcerns in a letter they sent

> to the City.“The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment

> and believesthat the protesters have a right to continue to protest.

> At the sametime, the last three weeks have created unsanitary

> conditions andconsiderable wear and tear on the park. This situation

> is not in thebest interests of the protesters, residents or the

> City.“The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be

> ableto return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they

> abide bythe rules that Brookfield has established for the park.”


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