From:   Lycophidion <lycophidion@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:06:35 PM
To:   september17 <september17@googlegroups.com>
Subject:   [september17discuss] Re: URGENT PROPOSAL FROM MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE IN EL BARRIO
 

I agree with Lili and Robert. We are not in a position to endorse the

EZLN, not simply because of the media impact and possible repression

(the EZLN is not on Washington's Terrorism Watch List, as far as I

know), but because not everyone agrees with their program. We had an

enormous debate in the anti-apartheid movement over whether to endorse

the ANC, but folks who put the emphasis on divestment and actions

against our own corporations and government won out, as the best means

for mobilizing people. And, in fact, the ANC endorsed that position.

 

*However* - the call states:

"At present, the EZLN support communities of San Marcos Avilés and San

Patricio in Chiapas, Mexico, are currently facing severe forms of

violence, harassment, and displacement from their ancestral lands. The

indigenous peoples who reside in these two communities have become the

targets of such violence because they, brazenly, have exercised their

autonomy and right to self-determination as indigenous peoples, and

have,

to that end, developed just systems of self-governance and alternative

community institutions, such as schools, cooperative farms and health

clinics, that reflect and support indigenous worldviews and culture.

They

are under attack, in sum, for living a life of dignity and for

demanding

that everyone be able to do so."

 

I see no difficulty in asking the GA to condemn the repression by the

Mexican government against those communities and offer solidarity to

the Indigenous peoplke of those communities...

 

 

 

On Oct 13, 4:51 pm, Robert Christ <rj...@cornell.edu> wrote:

> I love the EZLN, but it has been the defacto statement of the group for a

> while now to not endorse any other political movement.  ITs WAY to

> politically risky at the moment.  Occupy DC and others have already released

> documents of no affiliation and no-endorsement.  Within our own group, there

> are multiple groups working on similar proposals.

>

> While I fully, personally, support the Zappatistas and know friends that

> have helped them in Chiapas, choosing to make them our first formal

> endorsement, or any endorsement, at this time, before we've made any

> demands, would be a mass media disaster.  Can't you just see what Bill

> O'Reilly would start saying on TV?  Kiss our movement goodbye.

>

> Sorry guys.

>

> No Endorsements.

> No Candidates.

> Not Yet.

>

> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Liliana Gomez <liligome...@gmail.com>wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Well it needs to be discused even if our support is verbal  and not

> > financial we need to keep in mind that they are armed revolutionaries and we

> > are not, supporting them publicly if they are on a government list as

> > "terrosists" can distort our claims of being a non-violent movement, and we

> > may also be labeled as terrorists under the Patriot act. I'm not a lawyer

> > but we all know there is no such thing as Real freedom of thought or speech

> > in this country and we could quickly suffer the repercussions of such a

> > statement.

>

> > Lil

>

> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com>wrote:

>

> >> We should write the statement of support. This is really important.

>

> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:32 AM, <

> >> movementforjusticeinelbar...@riseup.net> wrote:

>

> >>> Urgent Message from Movement for Justice in El Barrio, The Other Campaign

> >>> New York

>

> >>> To Members of the OWS General Assembly:

>

> >>> Receive greetings and embraces of solidarity from the humble and simple

> >>> migrant community of El Barrio, NYC:

>

> >>> We are Movement for Justice in El Barrio – an organization of immigrants

> >>> that fights for dignity and against neoliberal displacement. We fight for

> >>> the liberation of every marginalized group, such as immigrants, people of

> >>> color, women, lesbians, gays, transgender people, and all the poor of the

> >>> world. We are part of the Zapatista-initated The Other Campaign.

>

> >>> Last Sunday, beneath the red sculpture that marks the entrance to

> >>> "Liberty

> >>> Plaza", we shared our Declaration in Support of Occupied Wall St. As dusk

> >>> came upon us, our words found resonance in the hearts of people who, like

> >>> us, seek a world of dignity.

>

> >>> In addition to our Declaration, we shared with you a communiqué written

> >>> 15

> >>> years ago by the Zapatista National Liberation Army (EZLN) of Mexico –

> >>> which is for many of us our homeland. In this communiqué, the Zapatistas

> >>> pay homage to all the women who fight for justice in the world.

>

> >>> For nearly three decades, the Zapatistas have waged a tireless and

> >>> profound struggle to build, as they say, “un mundo dónde quepan todos los

> >>> mundos”: A world in which all worlds fit. Day after day, they continue

> >>> building this world from below and to the left– outside of and against

> >>> political parties and the capitalist system. Their struggle is a kind of

> >>> poetry that has touched the hearts of dignified people from around the

> >>> world. Their vision and analysis of the world is perhaps best articulated

> >>> in the document, to which we adhere as an organization, called: La Sexta

> >>> Declaración de La Selva Lacandona (English version available here:

> >>>https://webspace.utexas.edu/hcleaver/www/SixthDeclaration.html). We

> >>> believe strongly that the Zapatista struggle, with its form, principles,

> >>> and aims, has shaped profoundly the resistance that is taking place on

> >>> Wall Street today.

>

> >>> As you know, in the world in which we live, such a struggle is neither

> >>> welcomed nor celebrated, but instead: condemned, attacked, beaten,

> >>> imprisoned, repressed, silenced, raped, tortured, executed, distorted,

> >>> ignored.

>

> >>> At present, the EZLN support communities of San Marcos Avilés and San

> >>> Patricio in Chiapas, Mexico, are currently facing severe forms of

> >>> violence, harassment, and displacement from their ancestral lands. The

> >>> indigenous peoples who reside in these two communities have become the

> >>> targets of such violence because they, brazenly, have exercised their

> >>> autonomy and right to self-determination as indigenous peoples, and have,

> >>> to that end, developed just systems of self-governance and alternative

> >>> community institutions, such as schools, cooperative farms and health

> >>> clinics, that reflect and support indigenous worldviews and culture. They

> >>> are under attack, in sum, for living a life of dignity and for demanding

> >>> that everyone be able to do so.

>

> >>> For this reason, and given the gravity of the situation, we write to you

> >>> to solicit your support for our humble proposal: We propose that at this

> >>> upcoming Wednesday's General Assembly meeting, the OWS General Assembly

> >>> consider, and ultimately endorse, a statement or resolution of support

> >>> for

> >>> the Zapatista communities of San Miguel Avilés and San Patricio.

> >>> Representatives from our organization will be present to discuss the

> >>> details of the situation and proposal.

>

> >>> In light of the demanding workloads of our members, we ask that you

> >>> please

> >>> respond to us as soon as possible, no later than this Friday, if you

> >>> accept our proposal at movementforjusticeinelbar...@riseup.net.

>

> >>> With love and solidarity,

>

> >>> From El Barrio, NYC,

>

> >>> Movement for Justice in El Barrio, The Other Campaign New York

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