From:   Jon Good <>
Sent time:   Friday, October 14, 2011 2:56:14 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] MoveOn Execs Now Official Spokespeople For OWS, According to MSM Execs

To re-phrase: Passing a resolution that we believe the big two parties are controlled by corporate tools and cannot help us is NOT an attack on MoveOn.  Members and voters of all parties are welcome, but not their hierarchies. 

It's like if my alcoholic uncle helped me move in a pinch, and then started grumbling that we should go get a drink afterwards.  Still wouldn't do it.

So maybe I'll amend the text slightly:

"The occupation acknowledges that the problems we face cannot be solved by either the Democratic or the Republican parties.  The leaders of both parties are controlled and corrupted by Wall Street."



On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Jon Good <> wrote:
I don't want to attack MoveOn.  I want to prevent the Democratic Party from attacking us, and by stealing our work and labor for its (and ultimately Wall Street's) benefit yet again.  I am super thrilled that MoveOn wants to get behind us, I just want to make sure they're not doing so that they can fuck us from behind.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:46 PM, <> wrote:
I agree that we should call out attempts to co-opt us, but lets not do it right now, because they really came through for us last night.
On 10/14/11, David DeGraw<> wrote:
top MoveOn leaders / executives are all over national television
speaking for the movement. Saying We, We, We, We and directing people
to, which redirects to the DailyKos.

again, fully appreciate the help and support of MoveOn, but the MSM is
clearly using them as the spokespeople for OWS. I just had an
off-record discussion w/ NBC executives who say that other news execs
there plan to use them to divide the movement. This is an blatant
attempt to fracture the 99% into a Democratic Party organization. The
leadership of MoveON and the Daily Kos are Democratic Party operatives.
They do a lot of great work, but they are divide and conquer pawns.
For years they ignored Wall Street protests to keep complete focus on
the Republicans, in favor of Goldman's Obama and Wall Street's
Democratic leadership.

if anyone at Move On or Daily Kos would like to have a public debate
about these comments, we invite it.

if MoveOn leaders / executives are going to keep going on National TV to
speak for OWS, we need them to make a clear statement.

please urgently propose that statement or a plan to call them out in an
effective way.

know there are some people who think any attempts at co-option will be
unsuccessful, and there is some truth to that, but we can't let blatant
co-option attempts continue w/out a response. the longer we remain
silent as people get on national tv claiming to speak for and lead the
movement, the more damage will be done.