From:   rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Friday, October 14, 2011 3:45:58 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] Brookfield Properties
 

If you thank them you will at best get a statement from Brookfield recognizing your thanks and some press mentioning that the movement thanked the owners. Brookfield will continue to work behind the scenes carefully with the mayor to figure out what they should do next.

If you don't thank them, you don't get that statement from Brookfield (nothing lost there). So whether you thank them is contingent not on your relationship with Brookfield (doesn't matter to them much either way) but your relationship with your public and with the media.  

Your sympathizers in the public will mostly defend your gesture of thanks as strategic or ironic or whatever -- they'll support you thanks or no thanks. So the question is whether a gesture of thanks can impress those in the public who are skeptical of OWS. There are a lot of those people, unfortunately and surprisingly. A lot of people in my neighborhood in the Lower East Side are disdainful of OWS:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/10/occupy_tompkins.php

Are they capable of being changed? I'm not sure. Would it be useful to change their understanding and attitude? Definitely. Their attitude is bad for the public image of the movement and they will spread parallel with the spread of OWS. They suck up the media circus and they spread it around. They denounce OWS whenever it comes up. Their disdain is viral among their friends and family. They insist on defining the OES message, methods and character.

Protests tend to lead to polarization. Of course, you must not design your movement to cater to your enemies. But it's always good to undermine your enemies' expectations.





On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
I have no interest in thanking them, but reaching out to them publicly, preferably by the sanitation working  to arrange a real cleaning sytem and schedule without cops would make us look good and may defuse the situation.
 
 
On 10/14/11, Jon Good<therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote:
That too, Lisa.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Lisa <lisajensky@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't agree with thanking Brookfield publicly or privately but I really think we should thank all of our allies and supporters that mobilized to the park to defend last night and this morning. 
 
In solidarity,
Lisa

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Robert Christ <rjc53@cornell.edu> wrote:
It could be private.  Anything we can do to "better relations" without hurting public image.


On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:
Propose it to the general assembly, but my gut feeling is we dont need to publicly thank Brookfield for so *graciously* allowing us to be in the public park they "own/operate".

Justin Wedes
Educator & Activist
Brooklyn, NY

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will you #occupy?
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On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Robert Christ <rjc53@cornell.edu> wrote:

> So politico is reporting that brookfield properties has withdrawn their cleaning schedule for the day.  If this turns out to be true, I think we should really organize thank you letters, and make sure our sanitation team is in direct contact with their people.  Maybe the Outreach Working group could make such a proposal at the GA?
>
> Can't hurt to try to make an ally of these people, especially since the Mayor still seems to be itching to get us out.






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