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From: Snafu <email@example.com>
To: september17 <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] MoveOn Execs Now Official
Spokespeople For OWS, According to MSM Execs
I think it would be a mistake to characterize MoveOn as
Other to this movement. On a tactical level, there are objectives we
may actually share with MoveOn--namely, making sure that the next
Congress has enough elected representatives who are able to pass
Glass-Steagall or even nationalize the banks. Tactically, and I
repeat *tactically*, we should be able to make the regulation of the
financial sector and the banking system a fundamental theme of 2012.
Strategically, however, we cannot share the path with MoveOn
because the struggle for real democracy necessarily entails the
breakdown of the two-party system. Strategically, we should ask
ourselves what kind of world we want to live in and what kind of
forms of social organization are going to sustain it.
For instance, I would like to live in a world where water, food,
housing, education, health care, the communication infrastructure,
and transportation are not treated primarily as commodities but as
commons. What are the forms of social and political organization
that could sustain the management of these resources and services as
commons? How should they be organized? And how are we going to
develop them? I would like the Demands Committee to discuss such
issues--i.e. discuss the movement as a constituent process.
In order to sustain such constituent process, however, it is not
sufficient to say "we are autonomous, we do not need anyone."
Autonomy can and should be achieved by building alliances and as we
become capable of pushing into the mainstream of US politics
keywords that were unthinkable only few years ago. "Regulate the
financial sector, tax financial rent, curb corporate power" are such
key words. Making them major talking points of 2012 would really
mean to put into crisis 30 years of neoliberal hegemony--whose
global mantra has been deregulate, privatize, use credit (debt) as a
leverage to expand the GDP.
Of course, this is what MoveOn hopes to do. But is it really that
way? Is MoveOn, for instance, ready to support a New York Democrat
in the primaries who is going to run on an openly anti-Wall Street
platform and unseat Charles Schumer from his WS-greased Senate seat?
I guess that what I am trying to say here is that we should not only
think of how MoveOn is using OWS but also how OWS may use MoveOn to
pursue a long-term radical agenda, which will not go very far if we
limit ourselves to state our own purity. Further, as many have
already noticed on this list, the fact that MoveOn is supporting OWS
is also a symptom of the fact that this organization has already
moved onto more radical positions thanks to OWS.
With all of this of course I am not saying that we should build a
public alliance with MoveOn or any other electoral machine, but that
we should be able to use the weight of this movement to condition
the electoral process *from without* and retain a strong presence in
the media as they will shift their focus back to party politics.
On 10/14/11 5:47 PM, email@example.com wrote:
I don't see the problem with this (especially after listening
to the radio broadcast which makes it obvious when the dj is
speaking and when the moveon guy is speaking. moveon makes it
clear that we are separate movements with separate goals but
with overlapping interests and that we can work together. It
is not any worse for moveon to march to an occupation than for
a union to march to the occupation. Notice that the
occupation isn't marching to them.
On 10/14/11, Micah White<firstname.lastname@example.org>
wrote: FYI, here is how MoveOn is working on
the local level to co-opt. This was sent to the organizers of
#OCCUPYBERKELEY. Notice how they are trying to turn Oct 15
into a rally for themselves. I assume these kinds of
"friendly" emails are being sent out to occupations across the
country. They want to steal our momentum to revive their dead
Already, it looks like Eugene fell for the trap? See here:
We've been organizing a BIG Jobs Not Cuts march and rally
since August, and it's in Oakland, Oct. 15, 1 pm, starting
at Laney College. Can you have your OccupyBerkeley rally
join us, and we can then join you, to make both actions
bigger and better? All the Bay Area labor councils, MoveOn/Rebuild
the Dream, peace, environmental, youth, senior, and
political groups have endorsed the Jobs Not Cuts protest,
and we need you, too. See all the details at www.jobs-not-cuts.org.
Our plan is to march from Laney to Frank Ogawa Plaza,
stopping at the Federal Building to symbolically nail our
list of demands to Congress's door.
We've been sending out press releases and calendar
listings, and all our participating groups are publicizing
the protest to their members. I'm so sorry that you didn't
get the word before planning your action, but I hope we can
join forces and make lemonade out of this lemon of a
MoveOn East Bay Council
cc to Charles Davidson, Coordinator, MoveOn East
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Justine
OccupyWallSt.org is prepared to help. Our
website gets ~300,000 visitors a day and we are ready to
make a very strong statement against any group attempting
to drown out the voices of the people. This movement will
be co-opted over our dead bodies.
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:31 PM,
David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote:
leaders / executives are all over national
television speaking for the movement. Saying
We, We, We, We and directing people to
OccupyWallStreetEvents.com, which redirects to
again, fully appreciate the help and support of
MoveOn, but the MSM is clearly using them as the
spokespeople for OWS. I just had an off-record
discussion w/ NBC executives who say that other
news execs there plan to use them to divide the
movement. This is an blatant attempt to fracture
the 99% into a Democratic Party organization.
The leadership of MoveON and the Daily Kos are
Democratic Party operatives. They do a lot of
great work, but they are divide and conquer
pawns. For years they ignored Wall Street
protests to keep complete focus on the
Republicans, in favor of Goldman's Obama and
Wall Street's Democratic leadership.
if anyone at Move On or Daily Kos would like to
have a public debate about these comments, we
if MoveOn leaders / executives are going to
keep going on National TV to speak for OWS, we
need them to make a clear statement.
please urgently propose that statement or a
plan to call them out in an effective way.
know there are some people who think any
attempts at co-option will be unsuccessful, and
there is some truth to that, but we can't let
blatant co-option attempts continue w/out a
response. the longer we remain silent as people
get on national tv claiming to speak for and
lead the movement, the more damage will be done.
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