|From:||Matthew Bralow <email@example.com>|
|Sent time:||Saturday, October 15, 2011 11:31:02 PM|
|Subject:||Re: [september17discuss] Re: URGENT PROPOSAL FROM MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE IN EL BARRIO|
is someone coming up with a statement of solidarity to bring up at GA?
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 1:26 AM, <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> I think an expression of solidarity would be interpreted as at least as
> strong as an endorsement by much of the country if not the world.
> On 10/15/11, Lycophidion<email@example.com> wrote:
> I believe that, unfortunately, the comrades of the MJB are offering a
> straw-man argument regarding supposed accusations that it is violent,
> etc. That was never the issue. Lili merely stated a concern that,
> given the lack of democracy in THIS country, the fact that the EZLN is
> an armed revolutionary movement means that an endorsement by OWS could
> be turned against OWS by the media. I acknowledged this concern, but
> noted that it is secondary to the issue of whether or not a
> politically diverse movement like OWS, consisting of a wide range of
> political groupings and opinions can endorse a particular
> organization, which implies support for its program. I noted how this
> played itself out in the successful anti-apartheid movement. Robert
> said essentially the same thing, as did Andy. If MJB wishes to
> convince us of the validity of an endorsement, it would be better to
> address those arguments. On the other hand, Layan observed that the
> call was not for an endorsement but a statement of solidarity. That
> isn't at all clear from their above statement, which asserts: "We
> propose that at this upcoming Wednesday's General Assembly meeting,
> the OWS General Assembly consider, and ultimately endorse, a statement
> or resolution of support for the Zapatista communities of San Miguel
> Avilés and San Patricio." If Layan has additional information or
> insight, please share it... If what is at stake is a simple expression
> of solidarity, it would be far more useful and less divisive if we, as
> a movement, expressed solidarity with the specific communities
> involved, as such.
> On Oct 14, 8:33 pm, movementforjusticeinelbar...@riseup.net wrote:
>> A few things...
>> The wildly irresponsible and misinformed commentary concerning the
>> Zapatistas, which has arisen in response to our humble proposal, have
>> obliged us to offer a rejoinder.
>> These baseless comments, which for example distort the Zapatistas as
>> "armed" and "violent," are - ironically enough - directly informed by the
>> same oppressive media discourse that paints OWS as confused, aimless,
>> unproductive, disorganized, etc. Thus, in suggesting as much, you
>> reproduce and give legitimacy to the very people who seek to stigmatize
>> you - an even more "dangerous" media strategy.
>> Regrettably, this is but one example of several troubling misconceptions
>> surrounding the Zapatistas that some folks have circulated here.
>> We invite those with limited knowledge of the EZLN's profound 28-year
>> history of struggle, and its vast contributions to intellectual, cultural,
>> and political life, to consult the document we provided in our proposal.
>> This document, the Sixth Declaration of the Lacandon Jungle (again, in
>> articulates the EZLN's vision, methods, and goals. Upon reading it, you
>> will note that they are decidedly a non-violent movement.
>> In addition, we invite those who seem confused as to what constitutes
>> violence to remember the following: That the true violence -
>> malnourishment, poverty, displacement, rape, harassment, physical attacks,
>> and death - is currently being faced by the Zapatista indigenous
>> communities of San Marcos Avilés and San Patricio, to whom we offer our
>> unwavering support and solidarity, as an affirmation of our shared
>> -Movement for Justice in El Barrio
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