From:   Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Saturday, October 15, 2011 11:31:02 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: URGENT PROPOSAL FROM MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE IN EL BARRIO
 

is someone coming up with a statement of solidarity to bring up at GA?

 

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 1:26 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

> I think an expression of solidarity would be interpreted as at least as

> strong as an endorsement by much of the country if not the world.

>

> On 10/15/11, Lycophidion<lycophidion@gmail.com> wrote:

> I believe that, unfortunately, the comrades of the MJB are offering a

> straw-man argument regarding supposed accusations that it is violent,

> etc. That was never the issue. Lili merely stated a concern that,

> given the lack of democracy in THIS country, the fact that the EZLN is

> an armed revolutionary movement means that an endorsement by OWS could

> be turned against OWS by the media. I acknowledged this concern, but

> noted that it is secondary to the issue of whether or not a

> politically diverse movement like OWS, consisting of a wide range of

> political groupings and opinions can endorse a particular

> organization, which implies support for its program. I noted how this

> played itself out in the successful anti-apartheid movement. Robert

> said essentially the same thing, as did Andy. If MJB wishes to

> convince us of the validity of an endorsement, it would be better to

> address those arguments. On the other hand, Layan observed that the

> call was not for an endorsement but a statement of solidarity. That

> isn't at all clear from their above statement, which asserts: "We

> propose that at this upcoming Wednesday's General Assembly meeting,

> the OWS General Assembly consider, and ultimately endorse, a statement

> or resolution of support for the Zapatista communities of San Miguel

> Avilés and San Patricio." If Layan has additional information or

> insight, please share it... If what is at stake is a simple expression

> of solidarity, it would be far more useful and less divisive if we, as

> a movement, expressed solidarity with the specific communities

> involved, as such.

>

> Mike

>

> On Oct 14, 8:33 pm, movementforjusticeinelbar...@riseup.net wrote:

>> A few things...

>>

>> The wildly irresponsible and misinformed commentary concerning the

>> Zapatistas, which has arisen in response to our humble proposal, have

>> obliged us to offer a rejoinder.

>>

>> These baseless comments, which for example distort the Zapatistas as

>> "armed" and "violent," are - ironically enough - directly informed by the

>> same oppressive media discourse that paints OWS as confused, aimless,

>> unproductive, disorganized, etc. Thus, in suggesting as much, you

>> reproduce and give legitimacy to the very people who seek to stigmatize

>> you - an even more "dangerous" media strategy.

>>

>> Regrettably, this is but one example of several troubling misconceptions

>> surrounding the Zapatistas that some folks have circulated here.

>>

>> We invite those with limited knowledge of the EZLN's profound 28-year

>> history of struggle, and its vast contributions to intellectual, cultural,

>> and political life, to consult the document we provided in our proposal.

>> This document, the Sixth Declaration of the Lacandon Jungle (again, in

>> English

>> here:https://webspace.utexas.edu/hcleaver/www/SixthDeclaration.html),

>> clearly

>> articulates the EZLN's vision, methods, and goals. Upon reading it, you

>> will note that they are decidedly a non-violent movement.

>>

>> In addition, we invite those who seem confused as to what constitutes

>> violence to remember the following: That the true violence -

>> malnourishment, poverty, displacement, rape, harassment, physical attacks,

>> and death - is currently being faced by the Zapatista indigenous

>> communities of San Marcos Avilés and San Patricio, to whom we offer our

>> unwavering support and solidarity, as an affirmation of our shared

>> humanity.

>>

>> -Movement for Justice in El Barrio

>

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