From:   Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com>
Sent time:   Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:25:15 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   RE: Re: [september17discuss] DECLARATION IN SUPPORT OF OCCUPY WALL ST.
 

I am against our endorsing any groups, no matter how noble and compatible; it will just lead to endless conflict & debates about who not to endorse -- over controversial issues (such as the Palestinians). We can work with simpatico groups in other ways: speakers at forums, support by sub-groups of different organizations’ issues and actions, not the whole GA, at some point through raising their demands (which does not raise the problem of supporting all their actions in advance).

 


From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of shaista husain
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:42 PM
To: september17@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [september17discuss] DECLARATION IN SUPPORT OF OCCUPY WALL ST.

 

Its not just that working groups will form and direct action will simply follow that linear progression, there needs to be recipricol recognition (endorsement is a word Amin doesn't like since day one...lol) so use another word.... because many many folks are feeling marginalized and left out.... if you would like evidence on this, give me a day or two to list the numerous critiques published all over the place. And these are our allies... people of color.


On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote:

I recommend that we assist groups to plug into working groups.  Or create affinity groups that plan for things that by direct action further their cause.

 

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

I completely agree with Doug, the solution seems a broad endorsement of their general cause and an invitation to join forces and contribute in a broader struggle that clearly recognizes and includes their cause.

Cesar

 

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

If we don't want to give endorsements for individual groups, that's fine, but we can't use that as cover to avoid making a clear statement about opposition to racial oppression in all its forms and to step up our actions in solidarity with struggles for racial justice. That would be to turn our back on a huge segment (a majority globally) of the 99% and their struggles for justice, which are organically connected to the fight against corporate power.

 

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:50 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

The history of the "divide and conquer" technique is to pit the poor against the poor, the middle against the lower, the middle against upper middle, the white collar against the blue, the Irish against the Italians, the whites against the blacks, the blacks against the koreans, the shia against the sunni, the mormons against the evangelicals, the workers against the immigrants, union against nonunion, and both sides usually have, or believe they have, some truth on their side.  The more we buy into the divisions, the more we divide ourselves.  The more we focus on specific groups, the more we lose focus on the "dividers" and become dividers ourselves. 
We should have positive principles about how people should treat each other, and blanket endorse people that follow those principles.  This has the advantage of shaping their behavior, instead of okaying any thing they do ahead of time.
There are about 10,000 little groups that we would like endorsements from.  At 2hrs of GA time to reciprocate to each endorsement, that comes to 20,000 hrs of debate.
Let's divide the corporations and their minions from the rest of us, then worry about each of the millions of conflicts in the world.  If we are to get as powerful as we would like to be, we should be looking for Win/Win solutions to the problems of the world, not picking sides between groups, winners and losers. 
John

 

 

On 10/16/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you for this endorsement, MJEB! We need to figure out a way to reciprocate statements of support like this from groups representing people of color and fighting against their oppression. Saying that "we don't do endorsements" is not an acceptable answer. We need to have a better response than that. OWS has become much more ethnically diverse in terms of the people visiting the occupation and participating in marches, but the working groups continue to be very white-dominated, which means that the people actually making the decisions are mostly white. And there have been frequent reports of people of color having their voices squelched when they try to put racial oppression on OWS's agenda. This is unacceptable and very destructive for the potential of OWS! We need to support and be supported by people of color in the US and around the world. We need to unite the entire 99% and take up all the struggles for justice that the entire class is fighting. It's time we got our act together on this. I personally think that we need to get over the hostility to "endorsements" of specific groups. They will not destroy our movement. But if that is not possible, we need to figure out some other way to put ourselves on record as standing in solidarity with people of color and being committed to fighting all forms of racial oppression and to step up our efforts to put those views into practice.

Doug

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:24 PM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@riseup.net> wrote:

DECLARATION IN SUPPORT OF OCCUPY WALL ST.

The following “Declaration in Support of Occupy Wall St.” by Movement for
Justice in El Barrio was shared on Sunday, October 9th, 2011 during their
participation at Occupy Wall St.

To the General Assembly of Occupy Wall St.:

To the dignities that resist in the world:

To civil society:

Receive greetings and embraces of solidarity from East Harlem, New York.

We are Movement for Justice in El Barrio, an organization of immigrants in
El Barrio, NYC that fights for human dignity and against community
displacement driven by neoliberal globalization. We are a community, which
like in other corners of the world, large transnational corporations and
the bad government constantly seek to displace.

We fight for the liberation of every marginalized group, such as
immigrants, people of color, women, lesbians, gays, transgender people,
and all the poor of the world. As predominantly Mexican immigrants, we are
part of The Other Campaign – a national Mexican movement that seeks to
unify all the struggles from below and to the left. This movement was
initiated by our beloved Zapatista brothers and sisters in Chiapas,
Mexico. We walk with them to change the world from below.

Movement for Justice in El Barrio fights independently and outside of the
elite political class and political parties of those from above.

We fight against the capitalist system and against the servants of that
system, which are the politicians of political parties such as the
Democratic Party and the Republican Party. We know that the political
class works for the benefit of those from above and against those from
below.

The majority of us come from Mexico, which is a strong military and
economic corridor of those in power. We also know that the dictatorship in
Mexico is also a major ally to the bad government that oppresses us here
in the United States.

Today, together we contest the neoliberal bad governments and
globalization’s global capitalism.

We, Movement for Justice in El Barrio, have always believed that history
cannot be written by those from above, and we have acted upon this
conviction. The bad governments cannot contain forever the anxieties of a
people that desires to be free; of a people of women, men, elderly and
children who demand freedom, justice, and democracy.
Today, we embrace all the struggles that resist with dignity, and are now
fighting against the war of death, which the neoliberal beast and its
savage governments impose on us.
Today we embrace all the hearts of humble and simple people who, like us,
are also dignified and rebellious. We are writing history, the history of
our struggle for life and against death, which the political systems from
every corner of the world impose upon us.

Today we embrace all the dignified hearts that together are building from
below and to the left, tearing down and shaking off of the world all the
lies that the political system imposes upon us.

Today we embrace all of the dignified hearts that, in their own time, in
their own style and form of struggle, are revealing the destructive and
deathly realities that neoliberalism is causing in our places of origin.

Today we embrace all of the dignities that fight to preserve our cultures
and practices that give us our own identity as human beings, that take
pride in being different, and that fight for a better world for our
children and our children’s children – a world in which many worlds fit.

Movement for Justice in El Barrio denounces the mass media for always
telling the history of those from above. Now that people have shown that
peace without justice is a farce, the mass media continue to tell us the
story of those from above and of the victory they wish to see, to the
benefit of the big companies.

They tell us that a people without leaders does not truly know what it
wants, but this is not true. They tell us that people need politicians
imposed upon them so that they may be lead, else become savages. But we
know who the true savages are. We denounce the mainstream media and the
multinational corporations of those from above for blocking and impeding
the right of the community to communicate and express itself.

We have the right to be free and that is why we fight for our liberation
and for the liberation of all those from below.

The humble and noble people of El Barrio support you. Your cause is our own.

With love and solidarity,

Movement for Justice in El Barrio



 

 

 

 

 

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