From:   Abraham Heisler <>
Sent time:   Monday, October 17, 2011 8:23:32 PM
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] 11AM Meeting today minutes

Actually, this is a really good discussion and something I'm very

interested in myself. Not necessarily because Thorin, but the issue of

hierarchy in media or any other art form for that matter.


What I've learned from my 17 years of filmmaking is that, the fewer

the amount of people making important decisions on a project, the

better. If everyone from the gaffer to the production assistants try

to direct a piece, you're not going to get anywhere. The old, "too

many chef's spoil the soup" adage. Of course, filmmaking is a

collaborative effort, but there needs to be someone who is empowered

to make crucial decisions otherwise you will end up with bupkis

(yiddish word for nothing).


That said, before the occupation, I was on my way to the Bay Area to

try and start a filmmaking cooperative/collective. So, I am very much

interested in finding a working model that facilities the equality of

horizontalism with the efficiency of hierarchy necessary for filmic

endeavors. What I've come up with is the idea of a wheel. One which

constantly rotates in a way that enables people to play different

positions on different projects. This is very similar to what you find

in film school, where everyone is responsible to direct their own

project but crews on each other's films. So, you take a position where

you are empowered to make creative decisions, however that position

rotates depending on the needs of each project.


Maybe not the forum for this discussion, but certainly an issue that's

been on my mind. Very much open to people's input. Thanks,










On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Vlad T <> wrote:

> the issue is 2 fold here Monica.  first of all our movement is non

> hiarchical.  a hiarchical media group covering this with priveleged access

> is definetly a problematic situation.  secondly the issue is ownership.

> what we make is by the movement for the movement.  all our material is

> creative Commons.  thorin alone owns all material on his channel...


> please respond and engage these. concerns


> vlad


> On Oct 17, 2011 9:38 PM, "Mónica López" <>

> wrote:


>> I'm sorry I think you should talk to Thorin before telling this to people

>> cos is not true that channel represent only his views since there's a lot of

>> people that livestream also with that channel like dwayne, hero or me since

>> the very first day....


>> 2011/10/18 Vlad T <>


>>> I spoke to some people on thorins team today and encouraged them to have

>>> a meeting and discuss the hiarchy issue.  I think what will happen is that

>>> either that group adapts the same principles or a number of people working

>>> with him will be joining us in the near future.


>>> On Oct 17, 2011 9:22 PM, "Victoria Sobel" <> wrote:


>>>> we should definitely have a meeting about this- thorin has been on the

>>>> agenda for many days, he and his livestream channel are hierarchal and

>>>> represent only his views which to this point have been privately funded. he

>>>> isn't a part of this media committee formally, and has claimed not to be

>>>> responsible to the general assembly, this precludes him from general

>>>> assembly funding- his channel merely benefits from having a user name which

>>>> implicates being a part of the working group. his stream unfortunately does

>>>> not conform to any of the principles set out but the livestream subcommitee-

>>>> which to this point have been posted to this google group. we will finish up

>>>> our livestream primer and faq and have it posted as soon as possible. we

>>>> would like very much for this issue to reach some sort of resolution.

>>>> thanks

>>>> victoria


>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Lauri Faggioni <>

>>>> wrote:


>>>>> I'm confused to. We should have a meeting about this. I'm not sure who

>>>>> is doing what now.



>>>>> On Oct 17, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Nicholas Isabella wrote:


>>>>> > What do you mean not part of the GA? I'm a little confused

>>>>> >

>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone

>>>>> >

>>>>> > On Oct 17, 2011, at 17:35, Lauri Faggioni <> wrote:

>>>>> >

>>>>> >> Hey Abe,

>>>>> >>

>>>>> >> Thorin, isn't with us for live stream. He is his own entity and does

>>>>> >> not operate under the GA. So I'm not sure we should be sending people to

>>>>> >> him.

>>>>> >>

>>>>> >> L

>>>>> >>

>>>>> >>

>>>>> >> On Oct 17, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Abraham Heisler wrote:

>>>>> >>

>>>>> >>> Hello,

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>> We had a meeting today and Jazcer took minutes. He will type them

>>>>> >>> and

>>>>> >>> hopefully post them tonight. There were a lot of new faces, so we

>>>>> >>> just

>>>>> >>> introduced them to what was going on with media and asked them to

>>>>> >>> speak to David about photography, Thorin about Livestream, and

>>>>> >>> myself

>>>>> >>> for edited content (OCCCUPY TVNY). There was no one there for

>>>>> >>> radio.

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>> The issue of security and clearance came up and I suggested that we

>>>>> >>> discuss it with the general group at tomorrow's 5PM meeting.

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>> I think that Tuesday and Thursday's 5PM meetings should be for

>>>>> >>> everyone in media to meet and decimate information. Important

>>>>> >>> internal

>>>>> >>> issues should be brought up and discussed then and we should urge

>>>>> >>> newcomers not to attend as they may feel a little lost. The 11AM

>>>>> >>> meetings should be for new people to come and get plugged in. We

>>>>> >>> can

>>>>> >>> discuss more tomorrow, but those are my thoughts on how not to

>>>>> >>> scare

>>>>> >>> new people away.

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>> -Abe

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>> --

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>






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