From:   Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Tuesday, October 18, 2011 8:34:20 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] MoveOn Execs Now Official Spokespeople For OWS, According to MSM Execs
 

Those forces are not immutable, Doug. Human beings have opinions, and they can be changed. WE are starting to change them.

The success of our movement has provided evidence to people that what they believed to be impossible (a belief they held partially because those in power want us to think it's impossible) can actually happen.  

Now, I'm not saying we shouldn't be careful.  But I disagree that we should be immediately hostile.

Solidarity,

Jon


On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:
Supporting MoveOn is inconsistent with the idea that we don't support the Democrats, since MoveOn is joined at the hip to the Democrats. I don't think we should start attacking MoveOn, but we need to distinguish our agenda from theirs so that people outside the movement understand that we are pushing for much bigger changes than MoveOn wants, and that we don't support the Democrats. If MoveOn still wants to support us once we've made that clear, great, but if we don't make that clear, then MoveOn will be able to present their agenda as representing the Occupy movement, thereby co-opting it and blunting its transformative potential. And we need to be realistic about what MoveOn represents: they are for all intents and purposes a support group for the supposedly "progressive" wing of the Democratic Party. But that "progressive" wing, which still sees Obama as its ally, is in fact not progressive at all, but supports Wall Street to the hilt.

Doug




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