From:   Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:23:55 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] MoveOn Execs Now Official Spokespeople For OWS, According to MSM Execs
 

I prefer materialize to create, but the point of Shaista is also true, first you imagine and then you materialize, and some creativity comes handy these days, but create has some mystical connotations too. Throw a coin I did not help to break the tie.
If we want to present this Wednesday at the GA somebody has to fill a form at the information booth before 4:00 p.m., so that the facilitators can put it on stack for the Assembly. I would go to the GA if we present this, but probably after it starts.
Any volunteers?
Cesar
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:00 PM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:
Consensus is: dematerialize "materialize."
(Now I'm wondering what's wrong with my head or ear that I prefer "materialize" to "create." I'd have settled for "...imagine and bring about the changes needed...".)

 
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:11 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
keep create and lose materialize
 
 
On 10/18/11, rob hollander<lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry to come so late to the discussion today.

Couple of things. Why "through fraud"? Fraud -- deceit -- is only a small part of their profiteering. Much of it is in-your-face. The bail-out was not deceit. CEO's giving themselves huge paychecks is not fraud. I think everyone knows that their profiteering is not mostly through fraud -- it's using their money to create money and use its influence everywhere. It's coercion, it's harassment, it's pushing small commerce out of business, undermining wages -- none of that is fraud. Also it's not true that only the top 1% has profited (through fraud or otherwise). I suggest:

With the collusion of both parties, the top 1% has profited at the expense of everyone else.

Also "among us" says the opposite of what you want. You want to say solidarity with 'the people'. "Solidarity among us" means solidarity only among occupiers. Also "create" seems superfluous -- what does it say more than imagine or materialize? This:

We rely on cooperation and solidarity to imagine and materialize the changes needed for a sustainable world.

would work (and, btw, whoever wrote this one: it's a wonderful, beautiful sentiment!)





On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:39 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok folks --can we agree on this--are there any constructive suggestions---

The Democratic and Republican parties do not represent the people because they've been bought and corrupted by Wall Street, and the occupation does not support their candidates. 
With the collusion of both parties, only the top 1% has profitedthrough fraud, at the expense of everyone else. We have moved beyond false hopes,submission to eloquentspeeches, and populist manipulation. We rely on cooperation and solidarity among us to imagine, create and materialize the changes needed for a sustainable world. Fromdiverse multicultural, racial, ethnic, and sexual backgrounds,from different walks of life, we have begun to unite on common ground tooust the global financial powers that have bought our governments and who hold ushostage to their greed.





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Rob Hollander
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--
Rob Hollander
Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/
622 E 11, #10
NYC, 10009
212-228-6152


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