From:   Thadeaus <thadeaus@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:52:58 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: Hypocrisy
 

Regardless of how people feel about this issue I think it's important

that deadfish520@gmail.com be removed from this list considering how

openly hostile they are to this movement -

http://deadfish520.blogspot.com/ http://twitter.com/#!/Scipio_Nasica

 

Thanks

 

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ben & Jerry's

>

> Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Which corporations are the ones that don't abuse the system? Do they

> actually exist or is the idea of the "good corporation" just a myth?

>

> Doug

>

>

> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Sebastian Fernandez Giraldo

> <sfernan@ncsu.edu> wrote:

>>

>> To echo guindave, Gabriel, and Aaron, some of us are not against every

>> corporation, just against the ones that abuse the system to gain an

>> advantage and provide little or no contribution to society. We are also

>> working towards making the production of these goods and services more

>> sustainable. So no, using iPhones etc is not against what we are trying to

>> do.

>>

>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Aaron Gemmill <gemmill@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> one important way for industrial economy to advance would be a radical

>>> shift toward sustainable production. there are many obstacles to this, but

>>> science isn't one of them.

>>>

>>>

>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:23 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> It's based on science.

>>>>

>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:05 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> That is an unbelievably reactionary position to take.

>>>>>

>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:03 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Charles, I have a suspicion that "advanced industrial economy that is

>>>>>> sustainable" involves an oxymoron.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Charles <chcreinhardt@gmail.com>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Do not be Luddites. We want an advanced industrial economy. We just

>>>>>>> want it to be ever more democratic and sustainable, until we have the

>>>>>>> kind of modern society that actually has a chance of prosperous

>>>>>>> survival, rather than what we have now.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 11:34 am, Harrison Schultz <schuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> > Woah, this article about the Adbusters largest private donor

>>>>>>> > - stockbroker backer Robert S. Halper supports my point.  It seems

>>>>>>> > as if

>>>>>>> > members of the 1%, class traitors, god bless them have been helping

>>>>>>> > us all

>>>>>>> > along...

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/17/he-made-it-on-wall-st-an...

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > H.

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Harrison Schultz

>>>>>>> > <schuh...@gmail.com>wrote:

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > > I agree with the sentiments about using the tools of the system

>>>>>>> > > against the

>>>>>>> > > system and this is in fact what I've been attempting to do since

>>>>>>> > > before day

>>>>>>> > > one of this movement, as this leak and deliberate

>>>>>>> > > misinterpretation of a

>>>>>>> > > personal email I sent Micah White will verify...

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > > >http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/occulist-occupy-wall-street-organiz...

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > > I would point out as someone who works in the

>>>>>>> > > marketing/advertising

>>>>>>> > > industry while supporting this movement that many of the most

>>>>>>> > > scathing and

>>>>>>> > > damning critiques of the system come from individuals who

>>>>>>> > > actually work

>>>>>>> > > within the system.  I've met several radicals specifically within

>>>>>>> > > the

>>>>>>> > > advertising industry who repress their beliefs just enough in

>>>>>>> > > order to work

>>>>>>> > > and support their families.  I've met plenty of business leaders,

>>>>>>> > > although

>>>>>>> > > not necessarily anyone from the 1%, who support what we are doing

>>>>>>> > > such as my

>>>>>>> > > current boss and mentor as well as my former mentor who has

>>>>>>> > > actually taken

>>>>>>> > > the time to visit me at camp several times now.

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > > The traditional battle lines between labor and capital no longer

>>>>>>> > > apply.  If

>>>>>>> > > we are serious about facilitating an actual revolution which I

>>>>>>> > > know we all

>>>>>>> > > are then I would argue that it is vital to seize the most cutting

>>>>>>> > > edge means

>>>>>>> > > of production especially if they happen to have been developed in

>>>>>>> > > some cases

>>>>>>> > > by truly amoral corporations.  I think it's also important not to

>>>>>>> > > alienate,

>>>>>>> > > but to ally ourselves with our supporters from the business

>>>>>>> > > world.  I

>>>>>>> > > further believe along those same lines that it's important for

>>>>>>> > > those of us

>>>>>>> > > who are able to do so to actually earn and "occupy" key positions

>>>>>>> > > and exert

>>>>>>> > > our influence precisely within those companies we would most like

>>>>>>> > > to see

>>>>>>> > > transformed if not obliterated because I believe that it's naive

>>>>>>> > > and wishful

>>>>>>> > > to assume that they'll change themselves as a direct result of

>>>>>>> > > any of our

>>>>>>> > > resentful rantings.

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > > Hypocrisy is only a problem for puritans not for revolutionaries.

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > > In solidarity,

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > > Harrison

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Jon Good

>>>>>>> > > <therealjong...@gmail.com>wrote:

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >> Sparkles to that, Lauren. It's another insidious thing

>>>>>>> > >> corporations

>>>>>>> > >> do, having a fictional entity take credit for the work of actual

>>>>>>> > >> people.

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >> On Oct 18, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >> > I'll also note that cellular and wireless communications are

>>>>>>> > >> > pretty

>>>>>>> > >> > damn essential to areas with limited physical infrastructure.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> J.A. Myerson

>>>>> http://www.jamyerson.com

>>>>> 347.688.0241

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>> aarongemmill.com

>>> tomorrownowforever.com

>>> robotpedagogue.com

>>> aarongemmill.tumblr.com

>>

>

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