From:   Charles Lenchner <>
Sent time:   Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:40:51 AM
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: A dramatic shift in America

Just maybe, if OWS could start it's own email list building program and independent fundraising, the sting of watching others do it off OWS activities would decrease.

People WANT to be involved. OWS is not doing a good job of engaging people via email and soliciting support. MoveOn, DFA and others are.


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Thadeaus <> wrote:
I am not so worried about what appears to me to be feeble attempts on
the part of MoveOn to co-opt us, but I wanted to respond to the last
point. I think that because they are so "embedded in the current
system" that that makes them an enemy, until they prove otherwise.
Same goes for the police who yes are part of the 99% but so far stand
with and protect the 1%.

MoveOn's list of goals are, especially in the case of the last one,
contrary to the goals of myself and many who are part of this
movement. They seem to say that they are planning to make demands on
congress to pass legislation. I am against making demands other than
for autonomy and freedom. I am not sleeping on the ground in Liberty
Plaza so that someone in Washington will better represent me. I don't
have any faith left in Washington or this system. What I want is
already here in Liberty Plaza and I want to make it spread.


On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:31 PM,  <> wrote:
> We have no demands, but moveon has a list of democratically generated
> demands that are not adverse to our goals.  They may or may not be too
> embedded in the current system to save the world, but they are not the
> enemy.
> On 10/18/11, Jon Good<> wrote:
> If you read the email, they say in it exactly what they're spending the
> money on.  Granted, I don't trust moveOn farther than I can throw them, but
> right now I think we can throw them as far as encouraging people to move
> their money out of big banks.
> Solidarity,
> Jon