From:   Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:45:05 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: Hypocrisy
 

I disagree.  They can still read our stuff, because it's public, and their baiting is actually producing a wealth of good answers to the common questions of morons, and they provide challenges that it's shown we can easily overcome.


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:15 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
seconded


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Thadeaus <thadeaus@gmail.com> wrote:
Regardless of how people feel about this issue I think it's important
that deadfish520@gmail.com be removed from this list considering how
openly hostile they are to this movement -
http://deadfish520.blogspot.com/ http://twitter.com/#!/Scipio_Nasica

Thanks

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ben & Jerry's
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 18, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Which corporations are the ones that don't abuse the system? Do they
> actually exist or is the idea of the "good corporation" just a myth?
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Sebastian Fernandez Giraldo
> <sfernan@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> To echo guindave, Gabriel, and Aaron, some of us are not against every
>> corporation, just against the ones that abuse the system to gain an
>> advantage and provide little or no contribution to society. We are also
>> working towards making the production of these goods and services more
>> sustainable. So no, using iPhones etc is not against what we are trying to
>> do.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Aaron Gemmill <gemmill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> one important way for industrial economy to advance would be a radical
>>> shift toward sustainable production. there are many obstacles to this, but
>>> science isn't one of them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:23 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's based on science.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:05 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That is an unbelievably reactionary position to take.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:03 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charles, I have a suspicion that "advanced industrial economy that is
>>>>>> sustainable" involves an oxymoron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Charles <chcreinhardt@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do not be Luddites. We want an advanced industrial economy. We just
>>>>>>> want it to be ever more democratic and sustainable, until we have the
>>>>>>> kind of modern society that actually has a chance of prosperous
>>>>>>> survival, rather than what we have now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 11:34 am, Harrison Schultz <schuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Woah, this article about the Adbusters largest private donor
>>>>>>> > - stockbroker backer Robert S. Halper supports my point.  It seems
>>>>>>> > as if
>>>>>>> > members of the 1%, class traitors, god bless them have been helping
>>>>>>> > us all
>>>>>>> > along...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/17/he-made-it-on-wall-st-an...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > H.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Harrison Schultz
>>>>>>> > <schuh...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > I agree with the sentiments about using the tools of the system
>>>>>>> > > against the
>>>>>>> > > system and this is in fact what I've been attempting to do since
>>>>>>> > > before day
>>>>>>> > > one of this movement, as this leak and deliberate
>>>>>>> > > misinterpretation of a
>>>>>>> > > personal email I sent Micah White will verify...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/occulist-occupy-wall-street-organiz...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > I would point out as someone who works in the
>>>>>>> > > marketing/advertising
>>>>>>> > > industry while supporting this movement that many of the most
>>>>>>> > > scathing and
>>>>>>> > > damning critiques of the system come from individuals who
>>>>>>> > > actually work
>>>>>>> > > within the system.  I've met several radicals specifically within
>>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>>> > > advertising industry who repress their beliefs just enough in
>>>>>>> > > order to work
>>>>>>> > > and support their families.  I've met plenty of business leaders,
>>>>>>> > > although
>>>>>>> > > not necessarily anyone from the 1%, who support what we are doing
>>>>>>> > > such as my
>>>>>>> > > current boss and mentor as well as my former mentor who has
>>>>>>> > > actually taken
>>>>>>> > > the time to visit me at camp several times now.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > The traditional battle lines between labor and capital no longer
>>>>>>> > > apply.  If
>>>>>>> > > we are serious about facilitating an actual revolution which I
>>>>>>> > > know we all
>>>>>>> > > are then I would argue that it is vital to seize the most cutting
>>>>>>> > > edge means
>>>>>>> > > of production especially if they happen to have been developed in
>>>>>>> > > some cases
>>>>>>> > > by truly amoral corporations.  I think it's also important not to
>>>>>>> > > alienate,
>>>>>>> > > but to ally ourselves with our supporters from the business
>>>>>>> > > world.  I
>>>>>>> > > further believe along those same lines that it's important for
>>>>>>> > > those of us
>>>>>>> > > who are able to do so to actually earn and "occupy" key positions
>>>>>>> > > and exert
>>>>>>> > > our influence precisely within those companies we would most like
>>>>>>> > > to see
>>>>>>> > > transformed if not obliterated because I believe that it's naive
>>>>>>> > > and wishful
>>>>>>> > > to assume that they'll change themselves as a direct result of
>>>>>>> > > any of our
>>>>>>> > > resentful rantings.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > Hypocrisy is only a problem for puritans not for revolutionaries.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > In solidarity,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > Harrison
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Jon Good
>>>>>>> > > <therealjong...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > >> Sparkles to that, Lauren. It's another insidious thing
>>>>>>> > >> corporations
>>>>>>> > >> do, having a fictional entity take credit for the work of actual
>>>>>>> > >> people.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > >> On Oct 18, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > >> > I'll also note that cellular and wireless communications are
>>>>>>> > >> > pretty
>>>>>>> > >> > damn essential to areas with limited physical infrastructure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> J.A. Myerson
>>>>> http://www.jamyerson.com
>>>>> 347.688.0241
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> aarongemmill.com
>>> tomorrownowforever.com
>>> robotpedagogue.com
>>> aarongemmill.tumblr.com
>>
>
>


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