From:   shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:25:12 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] Advice to #occupywallstreet from Matt Taibbi
 

Please understand that all progressive change in THIS country, happens when the most powerful conscious social force of that change steps up in protest, and that is without a doubt, the black working class. A wonderful thing happens, they come with resolve--and tie a bridge between good white people and all of us immigrants of color--we look to the black working class for leadership--so we become a majority, the overwhelming majority--not just in US but the whole world. I am not talking about a "leader" those days are over, thanks in part to Obama, that his actions have disspelled the myth that a black person in office can bring progressive change. So, issues of race can not be marginal. They must be central. If you want to discuss this, i invite you with all my heart for progressive dialogue and welcome your debate--- we can not allow for any kind of hierarchy on race questions, trying to subsume it under some banner of fake economics, that becomes reactionary if our progressive banners are not waved by black folks---(ie .right wing--reactionary)
I am not talking about tokenizing-- i am speaking of the black intelligentsia--who know their history--speak up--bring it on! If you see this as being "divisive" perhaps we can work on setting up more anti-oppression workshops here for us to overcome the illusions planted by centuries of systemic racism and ignorance in our public education. Good comrades, lets work together to remove fear of one another. Please kindly read Howard Zinn (essential reading) and CLR James--who outlines the power and importance of the black working class in this country specifically as the a powerful force of revolutionary consciousness. 




On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote:
A miracle! I agree with Doug!  

It would be a cruel farce if this movement made any significant declaration of "who we are" without the participation of considerably more people of color than currently occupy the street.  People of color are a majority in New York City, and well-intentioned folks in positions of social power have a long, sad history of deciding "what's best for the masses" without their input or feedback.  

This is a radical movement. We can't rely on the same social structures that were formed/were formed by this mess.

Solidarity,

Jon



On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:
"Mission creep" and "warm fuzzies" are not the issue. Racial oppression is organically connected to the economic speculation and exploitation of the financial sector. Unemployment and foreclosures are highest among Blacks and Latinos. The police brutality that OWS has experienced and protested against is a daily fact of life for people of color. Vast amounts of wealth that could be used to fund social services here are being used to wage war against and occupy Middle Eastern countries. Racism permeates every economic decision in this country. Every economic woe that we're experiencing is being experienced more strongly by people of color. If we ignore race, we are ignoring a major axis of economic exploitation. Therefore, it's not mission creep to deal with race. Rather, the opposite is true. If we don't deal with race, our mission is incomplete.

There's also a strategic element to taking up the issue of race. Because people of color have suffered so much in the US, there is a huge amount of anger built up in communities of color. If people of color feel on a mass scale that OWS addresses their issues, the outpouring of anger will be huge. But if we don't take up racism as an issue that is interconnected with economic exploitation, then we will leave out the most exploited sector in US society from our movement.

I do agree that we need to maintain a friendly, professional tone with each other, even--or especially--when we disagree on important issues that we feel strongly about.

Doug



On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote:
I like you even more after this exchange. And agree with you about the rewards of a focus on economic issues.
The opportunity cost of mission creep exceeds the warm fuzzies generated by over-inclusion. 
My partner does fashion, and while it's not my world, no one should be defensive about it!

Funny how it wasn't 'silencing' to try and confront/overcome/resist the lone Israeli talking about J14, but grimwomyn championing a tight message is.

Now let's do go back and argue about Zionism! (jk)

Charles


On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:32 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:

Guilty. I luv fashion and stupid celebs... it helps me decompress... ;)

On Oct 13, 2011 5:27 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Now we know what you do when your not saving the world  :)
 
 
On 10/13/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh crap just realized that's what I pasted sorry! Google matt tiabbi occupywallstreet five things ill repost the link after I get home sorry for that!

On Oct 13, 2011 4:40 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Whats with the celebrity photos?
 
 
On 10/13/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
He hits on a lot of great points here. I am of the opinion that we tighten up quick abt being here for economic issues, as that is what is bringing the 99% here. If we get muddied into the many layers of politics, we are gonna be as bad as congress and not get anything done.

We started a class war and we better be ready to bring it home and finish it. If we get divided over cultural, ethnic, gender politics we are gonna be too busy fighting each other to pay attention to the monstrous banking and corporate system that wants us to fail. They want us to give up, they want us to go away. The fastest way to do that is to start fighting each other on the micropolitic level when all of those things, intolerance of others, misogyny, bigotry, and hatred will be a lot easier to fight once we get resources back into our communities.

We break the current unjust economic system the road will be clear for us to take on everything else.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/celebrity-photos/celebrity-photos-of-the-week-oct-12/article2197635/




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