From:   Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com>
Sent time:   Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:24:02 PM
To:   september17 <september17@googlegroups.com>
Subject:   SPAM-MED: [september17discuss] Re: Advice to #occupywallstreet from Matt Taibbi
 

I started to type something else, but I decided not to get mired in

this debate. (I've done that before in certain groups in the "anti-

globalization" movement.) Suffice to say, I agree most with some

points made by John and some by Lauren.

 

But I wanted to mention something tangential to all of this... Since

C.L.R. James was mentioned... Is everybody familiar with his article

"Every Cook Can Govern"? It is a good essay about the ancient Greek

roots of direct democracy and also serves as an excellent introduction

to that subject.

 

I first read this article more than a dozen years ago, because it was

a pamphlet that was being sold at the now long-defunct Blackout

Books. (I think some people commenting on this list might remember

that place. ;) ) But the article can be found online. Unfortunately,

the online version has been changed recently in a minor way that is

somewhat confusing, because a disagreement about the nature of slavery

in Greece is highlighted on top, while that is not at all the central

issue of this article. But all the text of the article is still

there. Here is the URL:

 

http://www.marxists.org/archive/james-clr/works/1956/06/every-cook.htm

 

 

On Oct 19, 1:40 pm, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Lauren, except i would argue that in this workshop, perhaps the folks asked

> to step to the back of the line, should be reversed, and step to the front

> of the line...anyway..

>

> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:25 PM, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com>wrote:

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> > We have a lot of work to do in between our own communities of color--i

> > agree the black working class has led the fight against racism historically,

> > that is precisely the point i was making, i apologize for the clumsiness of

> > my statement.

> > "class is pretty damn important" i couldn't say it better, sis,

> > "intersections" ---i wholeheartedly agree, thank you, speak up, teach!

> > Furthermore, i used the word "bridges" which is "intersections" between

> > historically marginalized groups. I was checking out this interesting

> > anti-oppression page by Occupy Boston, and was wondering if you have seen

> > it....

>

> >http://occupyboston.wikispaces.com/Anti-Oppression+Workshop+Notes+-+O...

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> > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >> "and tie a bridge between good white people

> >> and all of us immigrants of color"

>

> >> Wait, what? The black working class has historically had to fight

> >> against a lot of both historically and at least asian immigrant

> >> communities were just as likely to be right wing and racist towards

> >> them as european ones (I have neither personal observations nor data

> >> for latin americans), at least until muslims became convenient

> >> scapegoat. Class is pretty damn important, race is pretty damn

> >> important, gender is pretty damn important, sexual minorities are

> >> pretty damn important, that's why it's called intersections.

>

> >> Focusing on only one issue gave us bourgeois feminists who ignore

> >> queer and minority women, "gay marriage activists" who only care about

> >> the plight of wealthy white homosexuals, the homophobia of the black

> >> church, etc.

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