From:   rob hollander <>
Sent time:   Wednesday, October 19, 2011 2:06:57 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: Hot Chicks on Wall Street makes me fucking sick

The video includes the spontaneous speech of the women it focuses on. They are articulate, intelligent, incisive and inspiring, so I can only conclude that, the gross title aside, this video is more than just a piece of sexist voyeurism, but more a devout and adoring tribute that, if it were made by a woman, could easily be described as a feminist tribute to the female youth at OWS.

The title is an outrage. Was it chosen as irony, since the video doesn't come off as a "hot chick" video (note the all-string classically-inspired elegiac music -- no rock, no percussive heavy beat)?

I'd like to know what women, including the women depicted, think of it and its intentions.

I'm trying to imagine what the hot male equivalent would be like, and how I'd respond. Too bad the videographer didn't include men for a "Beautiful Youth of OWS." It would still be off-topic, but at least it wouldn't be sexist.

In any case, denouncing a piece so carefully designed to be beautiful, artistic, intelligent, inspiring and sensitive would be philistine. As long as OWS doesn't embrace it (an that's not likely), I don't see a problem with it being out there as some videographer's esthetic obsession. It makes OWS looks intelligent and attractive without trying.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Morgan Buck <> wrote:
Hi again,

Just wanted to apologize quickly for my harsh tone and foul language. Although I do feel strongly enough about this to curse up and down, I also realize that this kind of reaction is rather unconstructive, particularly on a forum such as this. I sincerely hope that nobody is offended. I fully intend to approach any future discussions with a far more thoughtful and reasoned tone.


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Morgan Buck <> wrote:
Hey all,

Don't know if everyone has seen this yet:

If so, please disregard. I just saw it though and I find it downright disgusting and fucked up, a total disservice to the movement and everything that we stand for. This being said, I understand that some women/other people may not share my opinions or sensibilities. I'd love it if there were some folks—maybe related to safer spaces, or maybe some new formation—that would be into talking about/dealing with this shit and the way that it represents women and the occupation/movement in general.

Oh, and the original video/Tumblr is also getting a fair bit of coverage, Some good (Jezebel - "Point-Missing Dudes"); Some meh (Alternet - "Really Bro?"); And some awful and/or sofuckingweirdandoffensiveIcantbelieveitexists (SF Chronicle blog - "Deal With It")

Also, this would maybe be a good segue into talking about a more general need: the organization of women voices about this, and other potentially awesome and/or alienating aspects of the movement, both in and out of the Square.

Much love,

Morgan Buck
Brooklyn, NY

t. 917-529-6860

Rob Hollander
Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
622 E 11, #10
NYC, 10009