I like Shaista's solution -- all three words, the familiar "imagine, create" along with the specific "materialize" (even though "create" has redundancy because it is both ambiguous as well as vague).
John, I think you used "materialize" yesterday in a post unrelated to this. The 99% is not illiterate, let's not condescend to them. Maybe not the ideal word, but "realize" or "implement" are not quite right.
I'm headed out to the GA. No cell phone/ipod here. Correspond with you my friends later!
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Nobody uses "materialize" in daily language. If you want to talk to the 99%, I think you need to speak their language.
if "create" is mystical, "imagine" could be sollipsistic, but "materialise" is perfect....
I like all three words for poetic flair --to drive home the notion that there is a lot of work to do...
envisioning --we need our creative forces (as opposed to destructive) and materialize--- is down to eath.
ok if we take any of the words out, it prefer it to be "imagine"
I'll be there in the afternoon to fill out the form. I'll present it to the GA if nobody else will, but if other folks want to, I'd be glad to step aside.
I prefer materialize to create, but the point of Shaista is also true, first you imagine and then you materialize, and some creativity comes handy these days, but create has some mystical connotations too. Throw a coin I did not help to break the tie.
If we want to present this Wednesday at the GA somebody has to fill a form at the information booth before 4:00 p.m., so that the facilitators can put it on stack for the Assembly. I would go to the GA if we present this, but probably after it starts.
Consensus is: dematerialize "materialize."
(Now I'm wondering what's wrong with my head or ear that I prefer "materialize" to "create." I'd have settled for "...imagine and bring about the changes needed...".)
keep create and lose materialize
Sorry to come so late to the discussion today.
Couple of things. Why "through fraud"? Fraud -- deceit -- is only a small part of their profiteering. Much of it is in-your-face. The bail-out was not deceit. CEO's giving themselves huge paychecks is not fraud. I think everyone knows that their profiteering is not mostly through fraud -- it's using their money to create money and use its influence everywhere. It's coercion, it's harassment, it's pushing small commerce out of business, undermining wages -- none of that is fraud. Also it's not true that only the top 1% has profited (through fraud or otherwise). I suggest:
With the collusion of both parties, the top 1% has profited at the expense of everyone else.
Also "among us" says the opposite of what you want. You want to say solidarity with 'the people'. "Solidarity among us" means solidarity only among occupiers. Also "create" seems superfluous -- what does it say more than imagine or materialize? This:
We rely on cooperation and solidarity to imagine and materialize the changes needed for a sustainable world.
would work (and, btw, whoever wrote this one: it's a wonderful, beautiful sentiment!)
Ok folks --can we agree on this--are there any constructive suggestions---The Democratic and Republican parties do not represent the people because they've been bought and corrupted by Wall Street, and the occupation does not support their candidates. With the collusion of both parties, only the top 1% has profitedthrough fraud, at the expense of everyone else. We have moved beyond false hopes,submission to eloquentspeeches, and populist manipulation. We rely on cooperation and solidarity among us to imagine, create and materialize the changes needed for a sustainable world. Fromdiverse multicultural, racial, ethnic, and sexual backgrounds,from different walks of life, we have begun to unite on common ground tooust the global financial powers that have bought our governments and who hold ushostage to their greed.
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