From:   Snafu <>
Sent time:   Wednesday, October 19, 2011 7:08:55 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Hey Guys - Is This Real?

The power of this Declaration lies in the fact that it endows the movement as a constituent force. Its limit lies in the fact that it does so through a representative process the NYCGA has openly opposed since the beginning. This is one of the first statements, if not the first one, approved by the NYCGA in August:

"NYC General Assemblies are an open participatory and horizontally organized process through
which we are building the capacity to constitute ourselves in public as autonomous collective
forces within and *against representative politics,* cultural death and the crisis of our times."

Yet, besides the fact that molding the electoral process on the existing congressional districts is highly questionable, 
I think that calling for a national gathering of the movement on July 4 is a great idea.

On 10/19/11 8:51 PM, Gabriel Johnson wrote:
They (with the Declaration) are pretty much trying the same strategy Adbusters did with the original September 17th call; if you announce it, they will come. My main issue with it is they're trying to imply (it seems) that they're somehow officially endorsed by the movement; if they clear that up, I wish them luck and may sorta participate. (Well, except for the whole "third party" thing, but that's a different can of tomatillos.)

The resolution to elect, on the other hand, I see as laughable on its face in about every way. Good luck getting the NYCGA to agree to electing 11 people (much less exactly who those people would be).


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:34 PM, gail zawacki <> wrote:
The Declaration and resolution to elect look like they are connected, since they both reference the July conference.  Frankly I think it's brilliant.  It's not a "list of demands" it's a working framework to procede.  The actual demands are fungible, to be determined.

If OWS is all-inclusive, then I don't understand the "us" as opposed to "them."

There is clearly opportunity for anyone to join the process they have started, in fact, I think I will!

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:22 PM, <> wrote: