From:   Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com>
Sent time:   Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:46:08 PM
To:   september17 <september17@googlegroups.com>
Subject:   [september17discuss] Re: Proposal on the agenda for tonight's GA
 

Just wanted to say that I strongly agree that the term "post-

political" is nonsensical and potentially dangerous.

 

On Oct 19, 9:33 pm, "acpolla...@juno.com" <acpolla...@juno.com> wrote:

> Beka, how does the term as used by theorists today relate to the supposed civil society/state divide? I ask because I find that latter concept hugely dangerous, and an excuse for avoiding confronting much less replacing the existing state in uprisings throughout the world in the last two decades.

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> From: beka economopoulos <b...@notanalternative.net>

> To: september17@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Proposal on the agenda for tonight's GA

> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:11:20 -0400

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> "Post political" is a real term in used in theory discourse. &#65533;It is a neutralizing of the playing field where no subject can emerge as a political force. I find it to be problematic actually, it doesn't mean "no dems/repubs", but goes beyond that. &#65533;"Political" is not and should not be reduced to parties, and it's disingenuous and dangerous to proclaim that we are beyond politics (doesn't map to our process, goals, etc.)

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> 2011/10/19 Charles Lenchner <clench...@gmail.com>

> Post political is a nonsensical term if you know what the word 'political' means.Politics&#65533;(from&#65533;Greek&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#6 5533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;, "of, for, or relating to citizens"), is a process by which groups of people make&#65533;collective decisions. The term is generally applied to the art or science of running governmental or state affairs, including behavior within civil&#65533;governments, but also applies to institutions, fields, and special interest groups such as the&#65533;corporate,&#65533;academic, andreligious&#65533;segments of society. It consists of "social relations involvingauthority&#65533;or&#65533;power"[1]&#65533;and refers to the regulation of public affairs within a political unit,[2]&#65533;and to the methods and tactics used to formulate and applypolicy.[3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics

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> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Justine <just...@occupywallst.org> wrote:I like where you guys brought this statement. &#65533;I'll probably find somewhere on the website to post this tonight and add in the term "post-political" which is a new term I came up with for describing this movement that has so far received a great deal of consensus. &#65533;Thoughts?

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> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Jon Good <therealjong...@gmail.com> wrote: After a long, raging consensus process on this listserv, the following Statement of the General Assembly of People Occupying Wall Street will be proposed at tonight's GA&#65533;

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> THIS EMAIL IS NOT THE PLACE TO PROPOSE WORDING CHANGES. &#65533;TONIGHT'S GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS THE PLACE TO PROPOSE WORDING CHANGESThe Democratic and Republican parties do not represent the people, because they've been bought and corrupted by Wall Street, and the occupation does not support their candidates.&#65533;In collusion with both parties, only the top 1% has profited at the expense of everyone else. We have moved beyond false hopes, submission&#65533;to&#65533;eloquent speeches, and populist manipulation.&#65533;We rely on cooperation and solidarity to imagine and create the changes needed for a sustainable world.&#65533;From diverse multicultural, racial, ethnic, social, sexual and gender backgrounds and from&#65533;different walks of life, we have begun to unite on common ground&#65533;to oust&#65533;the global financial powers that have bought our governments and&#65533;who&#65533;hold us hostage to their greed.&#65533;

> THIS EMAIL IS NOT THE PLACE TO PROPOSE WORDING CHANGES. &#65533;TONIGHT'S GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS THE PLACE TO PROPOSE WORDING CHANGES

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