Sent time:   Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:49:39 AM
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] Proposal on the agenda for tonight's GA

I would just get rid of the part on this proposal where it says

"populism" since the populist just implys the 99%. is it tonights

genral assembly where we propose changes or last nights ?



-----Original Message-----

From: shaista husain <>

To: september17 <>

Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:19 am

Subject: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Proposal on the agenda for

tonight's GA


Gabriel, when Saddam was hung in the kangaroo trial, did it make a

difference--did the US leave Iraq? how about Osama--did the US leave

afghanistan? Now rumor has it Qadafi is dead, will they stop bombing

Libya and allow the real revolutionaries to stand up--instead of the

fake "rebels" who were part of quadafi's cabinet--whom they are propping

as the scavenge all the resources. Don't be naive. it might be a "good

thing" qadafi is dead, but there will always be a new bogeyman for US

intervention that same old humanitarian missions to spread "democracy"

what a farce!!!! dont believe the hype. the so called rebels went out

killing african workers, dragging black people out of their home. It is

a disgusting situation in Libya. Please write to me and let me know when

the UN NATO or US actually ever feed the poor or educate or school or

provide any help to anyone, except more war....killing and

maiming...thanks love.


On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Gabriel Johnson

&lt;; wrote:

Chile's doing good stuff too (I think - most of you guys are a lot more

plugged into this than I am), but that's still no reason to disregard

Greece. Definitely, though, let's pay attention to the stuff going on in

Africa and such (Qaddafi is dead, so that's a plus). Can we create a

centralized source of updates or daily/weekly digests on similar things

to the occupation (not necessarily affiliated with us) going on

throughout the world?





On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:14 AM, shaista husain

&lt;; wrote:

the greeks are the brown folks of europe--how about you take a slight

look further south--i adore all you well meaning leftists, but for a

moment, my lovely comrades, stop hailing europe as the official

"political" center--your geopolitical valorizing of all things european

gets on my nerves because this was the position of stalin and the

comintern, the most vulgar economics--that history and progress,

understood in linear stages, with europe as most advanced, gave agency

of progressive change, assuming incorrectly, that progressive change

could only be in the hands of the working class of europe. from that

point on marxism is flawed and so too anarchism, of which i am a

syndacalist. We have come a long way from that vulgar notion of progress

and see clearly where that has led to--state absolutism...and victory

for capitalism. History has proven that revolution comes from the bottom

up. I salute the european revolutionaries--soon the occupations will

spread to germany and rest of NATO superstars domestically, they will

confront the troika... but do you realize what is being waged further

south in Tahrir--4000 dead maybe more--flesh and bones have sacrificed,

children are at the forefront --syria, bahrain, palestine--(while we do

not even demand that the USNATO get out of the war in Libya..nor make

any anti-war statements here in OWS against our military occupations)

The life and death battle is in the South--the unions that have emerged

in Tahrir are mighty strong, comrades, leading the way forward.

in solidarity,





On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:21 AM, shaista husain

&lt;; wrote:

Well, according to David Harvey, Jameson and Frankfurt school, who've

written in length on the condition of the 'post' as it relates to

modernity, industrialization, or 'late capitalism' --we are in a

condition of time/space compression, within a mutant and schizophrenic

cultural production dictated by metanarratives that impose a "natural

law" as if this is the absolute way things are, beyond reach. To accept

that, and declare ourselves postpolitical, is to give in to Lyotard's

end of history argument--victory of capitalism and victory of a cycle of

recurring self referential eurocentric repetition. For us colonials,

hell no, we have just begun to properly dismantle colonial itself.






On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:57 AM,

&lt;; wrote:

So true, Shaista!

Now the GREEKS are political: they have actual leftist parties, some of

which were with the masses yesterday trying to occupy the (political)

Parliament to stop the (political) austerity vote in hopes of leading to

a new (political) world.

Time for us to learn to speak Greek (and walk like an Egyptian)! 






---------- Original Message ----------

From: shaista husain &lt;;


Subject: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Proposal on the agenda for

tonight's GA

Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:53:12 -0400


how can we be post political when we have yet to be political? We are in

fact, compared to movements outside the U.S "prepolitical" in my humble

opinion.we have a lot to learn and catch up on.. so post means we have

moved beyond something--i doubt it, if we want to move beyond something,

let;s try to move beyond chauvinism.


On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:59 AM, &lt;; wrote:

We are very political.� Post-political sounds orwellian to me.

On 10/19/11, Justine&lt;; wrote:I like where

you guys brought this statement. �I'll probably find somewhere on the

website to post this tonight and add in the term "post-political" which

is a new term I came up with for describing this movement that has so

far received a great deal of consensus. �Thoughts?


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Jon Good

&lt;; wrote:

After a long, raging consensus process on this listserv, the following

Statement of the General Assembly of People Occupying Wall Street will

be proposed at tonight's GA�




The Democratic and Republican parties do not represent the people,

because they've been bought and corrupted by Wall Street, and the

occupation does not support their candidates.�In collusion with both

parties, only the top 1% has profited at the expense of everyone else.

We have moved beyond false hopes, submission�to�eloquent speeches, and

populist manipulation.�We rely on cooperation and solidarity to imagine

and create the changes needed for a sustainable world.�From diverse

multicultural, racial, ethnic, social, sexual and gender backgrounds and

 from�different walks of life, we have begun to unite on common ground�to

oust�the global financial powers that have bought our governments and�

who�hold us hostage to their greed.�