From:   Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:16:42 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: Anti-Semitism
 

Not to fuck shit up or anything (heh....)
but there's some fascinating background to this.

Some antisemitic tropes blame Jews for both capitalism AND communism. This was part of what made the Nazi approach a little bit incomprehensible to modern, educated folks. The answer lies in.... some old timey anarchists who broke with Marx. They opposed the institution of state central banking as the epicenter of modern wage slavery. They saw any force that prioritized centralized banking services run by the state as key to the enslavement of others. From this, both capitalist banking interests AND communists were guilty of the same kind of monetary centralization that disempowered independent businesses, artisans, farmers, and working people.

All of you have seen 'end the FED' signs and other explicit reference to things like returning to the gold standard, this is an important platform of the paleo-conservative tradition represented today by Ron Paul and his Love-olutionists. They contrast the ability of the state to use fiat currency with the absolute freedom of the individual. Folks going down that little rabbit hole will find some pretty disgusting stuff at the end of the tunnel, John Birch Society, Goldbuggers, even things like William Jennings Bryan's "Cross of Gold" speech.

Antisemitism is a thread that will always attract folks looking to understand why things are so wrong in the world. There's a reason it was called the 'socialism of fools'. And there really is no way to completely avoid the fact that classic and modern streams of antisemitism and opposition to decisions made by bankers/finance capital will overlap in some people's minds. But they are far and few between, and this movement has been good about responding to it. We don't need the ADL or anyone else fighting us politically with false charges of antisemites.

Charles

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:17 PM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:
I fully agree, Amye. But if you reason with the Jewish-conspiracy theorists, you'll not only fail with them, but fuel their theories: they'll think you're defending Jews and will accuse you of being a member of their cabal. So I think it's okay for occupiers to endorse religious tolerance generally, but the discussion of Jewish influence in policy will just push those intense and volatile folks' triggerbuttons. 

On the other hand, having them vocally and publicly accuse OWS of being part of the Jewish cabal might conveniently solve the problem of any public perception of anti-Semitism in OWS. You'll lose the conspiracy theorists, but most of them don't trust OWS anyway -- they don't trust anything.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Amye R <amyeelizabethr@gmail.com> wrote:
The footage from the Kol Nidre service is beautiful. It is a great idea to actively promote religious tolerance at the park.  However, this tolerance has to be active inside the park rather than just celebrating holidays. Intolerance and prejudice such as (but certainly not limited to) anti-semitism and Islamophobia, while they may include misunderstandings of holiday celebrations, always include a hatred, fear, mistrust, or stereotyping (etc) of people who either are or come from a background of certain religions.  

For example, there is a strong belief that the Jews control the banks. An attack on banks is not an attack on Jews. Still a lot of people have an image of a "Jew banker" in their minds.  This belief may lead some people to actively blame the Jews for the country/world's economic problems, while others do nothing because even though they, themselves, may not be overtly anti-semitic, a part of them still accepts the greedy Jew banker that controls the world's money stereotype.  This causes silence when it comes to shutting down anti-semitic signs or discourse and the silencing or dismissing of those who speak up against anti-semitism.  "After all don't they know the Jews have all the money-power that they control with their Jewness by being Jews" [SARCASM].  

We always have a responsibility to confront prejudice.  

          

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:24 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:
Send this footage of Kol Nidre at OWS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsYeTHPxV0A&feature=player_embedded#!

to the Emergency Committee for Israel, prominently cc'ed to CNBC, NYTimes, Washington Post and your whole press list, asking ECI for a statement of response.

Then send another letter to CNBC, NYTimes, Washington Post and cc'ed to ECI stating that ECI has no response.

Also write up a bunch of features/press releases about diverse religious holiday observances at OWS (including Jewish holidays but not only Jewish holidays), and send them around to blogs and local newspapers. Turn religious tolerance (including Christianity) at OWS into a meme that the mainstream media will eventually want to pick up on as Christmas/Channukah/Kwanzaa/Solstice approaches. Try to get someone at OWS to celebrate Pancha Ganapati and Bodhi Day too, so the press can turn it into something informative and revelatory for its readers.




On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:
However, "Zionist Pigs Rob Us All" guy is, in fact, after a brief conversation, anti-Semitic. (He also claims to be Jewish himself and from northwest Arkansas, a "pretty progressive place". And in spite of what I thought was us getting along relatively well for me standing next to him holding a sign saying "this guy's sign sucks", a few days afterward, he called me a "faggot" and told me to go die. I also ran into him late at night a few days after that on Water Street and he said he couldn't leave the state because he was under indictment for some sort of computer crimes. Odd and wonderful times.)

--glj


On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Amye R <amyeelizabethr@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with what acpollack2 had to say. We have a responsibility to shut down racism and anti-semitism when we see it at OWS.  Although, the footage isn't necessarily representative of OWS it is coming from somewhere, we need to confront people if we see this.   This hatred doesn't represent us.

In addition, we as a group need to acknowledge that racism and anti-semitism are very real things.  First of all anti-semitism should not be confused with anti-zionism. Anti-zionism is a critical approach to the actions and policies of the state of Israel.  Anti-semitism is prejudice against Jews.  

Anti-semitism is very present in the United States.  It doesn't disappear the moment we enter Liberty Plaza.  It is hard not to absorb the prejudice we are surrounded by, however as humans we have a responsibility to be aware of it and not to let it spread.   


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:40 PM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:
Expose the Emergency Committee for Israel for what it really is: a right wing political advocacy group that is not actually interested in Israel at all, but in manipulating Jewish voters through false propaganda. The group was created and is led by William Kristol. Google it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Committee_for_Israel




On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:32 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote:
Rachel Abrams, a higher-up at ECI, who ran that ad, today came out in support of a genocide against Palestinian Arab children. So much for hate speech. http://badrachel.blogspot.com/2011/10/gilad.html?spref=tw


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:27 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote:
I don't have a complete answer to Jackie's important question -- although I'll find out more about the group promoting this campaign.
About a week ago I saw one anti-Semitic sign being held up by a guy, and right next to him was a woman with a hand-written sign obviously written for the occasion with an arrow pointing at him and saying "He doesn't represent OWS." I thought that was a comradely, proactive start.
Of course at pro-Palestine demos when we see antiSemitic signs we remove the offender (with numbers, not laying hands on), and there's no room for debate about it OWS probably isn't at that stage of marshaling.
 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com>
To: september17@googlegroups.com
Subject: [september17discuss] Re: Anti-Semitism
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:23:01 -0700 (PDT)

keep moving in the right direct with transparency and integrity. Haters are going to hate. 



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J.A. Myerson



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Rob Hollander
Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
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--
Rob Hollander
Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/
622 E 11, #10
NYC, 10009
212-228-6152





--
Rob Hollander
Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/
622 E 11, #10
NYC, 10009
212-228-6152


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