Thanks for that. BTW someone said she would be addressing the NYCGA. Don't know how credible that is but it would sure be cool.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Richard S. <email@example.com>
Note, I'm just commenting in answer specifically to Martin Kaminer's
post about the "lesson from India," not to much of the other stuff
This Anna Hazare movement has been brought up on this list before, and
I'll do the same thing now that I did before - post some of Arundhati
Roy's comments about it - not very positive, to say the least,
focusing mostly on the huge corporate contributions to this movement
and the approval of the World Bank.
Arundhati asserts that this movement was pursuing a World Bank
agenda. Also, apparently, it pushed through a bill that was very
I also really appreciated her comments that began with the statement:
"What do you mean by corruption? Is it just financial irregularity or
is it the currency of transaction in a very unequal society?" And
note the comment, "You can talk about the rule of law when all your
laws are designed to perpetuate the inequality that exists in Indian
society. If you're not going to question that...I'm really not
someone who's that interested in the debate, then."
Do you think that to some extent, we can substitute "American" for
Indian in that comment?
On Oct 21, 11:22 am, Martin Kaminer <martin.kami...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you're not familiar with Anna Hazare, he's been a phenomenally successful
> crusader against government corruption overcoming full-strength
> government harassment. Looking at the tensions emerging in his movement
> might be a harbinger of things to come, or perhaps already here . ..
> [image: India Ink - Notes on the World's Largest
> OCTOBER 21, 2011, 7:41 AMStress Fractures For Team Anna
> [image: Prashant Bhushan (L) and Arvind Kejriwal (R) with Anna Hazare during
> his hunger strike at the Ramlila Ground, Delhi on Aug. 20, 2011.]Kevin
> Frayer/Associated PressPrashant Bhushan (L) and Arvind Kejriwal (R) with
> Anna Hazare during his hunger strike at the Ramlila Ground, Delhi on Aug.
> 20, 2011.
> By LYDIA POLGREEN <http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/author/lydia-polgreen/>
> and HARI KUMAR <http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/author/hari-kumar/>
> Kevin Frayer/Associated PressPrashant Bhushan (L) and Arvind Kejriwal (R)
> with Anna Hazare during his hunger strike at the Ramlila Ground, Delhi on
> Aug. 20, 2011.
> Is Anna Hazare’s grand coalition of good-government activists cracking up?
> Some serious stress fractures
> week when two prominent social activists on the 25-member core committee of
> India Against Corruption left the coalition. They were displeased that Mr.
> Hazare and his close ally, Arvind Kejriwal, had chosen to wade directly into
> politics by campaigning against the governing Congress party in a
> by-election in Hisar in Haryana.
> On one level, the Hazare team’s experiment in politicking in Hisar was a
> resounding success<http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2545078.ece>:
> The Congress candidate won so few votes that he lost his deposit. But the
> departure of two highly respected members, from what has been billed as a
> big-tent organization aimed at transforming the national culture, could dim
> the movement’s luster.
> “The decision to go to Hisar and U.P. was a big setback to the
> anti-corruption movement,” Rajendra Singh, a veteran environmental activist
> from Rajasthan who withdrew from the Hazare coalition this week, said in an
> interview. “To support a political party and oppose another was like acting
> as power brokers. They have defeated the whole credibility of the
> anti-corruption movement.”
> The Gandhian activist P. V. Rajagopal also withdrew, saying he had not been
> consulted about the decision to get involved in the Hisar campaign.
> “I do not know when the decision to go to Hisar and U.P. was taken,” he said
> in an interview. “I learned it through the media. I was not consulted even
> on the phone.”
> He was surprised, he said, because this was a major change in focus for what
> had previously been an avowedly nonpartisan campaign.
> “To oppose or support a political party, it was a huge jump,” he said. “A
> lot of people felt uncomfortable. You can not shift from one position to the
> other so quickly. It is very unfortunate.”
> Mr. Singh accused the movement of operating with the same secrecy that so
> loudly decried in government.
> “You talk about democratic values and transparency,” he fumed. “Where are
> those values and where is that transparency? We decided to work through a
> core team and such decisions are not even informed.”
> This summer’s vast anti-corruption movement, stirred up by Mr. Hazare’s epic
> hunger strike, seemed poised to transform Indian public life. The normally
> indifferent-to-politics middle class rose collectively to its feet, donning
> topis and declaring, “I am Anna.” A torpid political class was jostled into
> action, pledging to create the anti-corruption ombudsman, or Lokpal, that
> Mr. Hazare was demanding.
> In the flush of this victory, Mr. Hazare and his allies cast about for the
> next mission: giving voters the power to recall misbehaving members of
> Parliament, for example. But signs of discord in the diverse coalition
> quickly surfaced.
> When Prashant Bhushan was mauled by right-wing Hindu
> his comments in support of a plebiscite to allow Kashmiris to determine
> whether to remain part of India, Mr. Hazare and others distanced themselves
> from his remarks<http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-10-14/india/30278775...>
> offered only tepid criticism of his attackers. Since then he has scarcely
> been seen<http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/kejriwal-question-mark-remains-...>
> Mr. Hazare’s coterie.
> The paper reported that she bought discounted
> billed organizations that paid for her tickets as if she had paid full fare,
> then used the difference to fund her charity. Responding to a barrage of
> questions from people on Twitter, Ms. Bedi did not deny doing this, but
> argued that she had in fact saved these organizations money by not flying
> business class and had used the proceeds for a good cause.Another top member
> of Team Anna has also been embroiled in controversy recently. Kiran Bedi,
> the former police official turned clean-government crusader, was the subject
> of two investigative articles in the *Indian Express* this week. As the
> winner of a police bravery medal, she is entitled to a 75 percent discount
> on tickets for India’s national airline, Air India.
> “What wrong? What offense. Is saving an offense? And then putting the saving
> to a good cause a crime?,” she Tweeted.
> Responding to questions via text message from a noisy public meeting in
> Meerut, Ms. Bedi said she had done nothing improper.
> “I have done what any person who has total commitment to causes will do,”
> she wrote. “I generate and save all the time for education of under
> privileged children.”
> She said she used the money she saved by not traveling business class to pay
> for charity.
> “Many corporates are aware of my saving. And they were of course obliged
> that I gave them my day.”
> Mr. Rajagopal said he was unconvinced by this argument.
> “How can people respect you if you are not ethical?” he said. “Ethics are
> something not to be preached but to be practiced. This disintegration is a
> loss for the country.”
> An editorial in the *Indian
> that the episode is a useful lesson.
> “Team Anna should square with itself and then start identifying what
> constitutes corruption, deception, and what is simply human resourcefulness,
> or finding a way to live with rigid and unrealistic rules. What, for
> instance, are the clear lines between ‘I used it for my NGO’ and ‘I used it
> for my political party’? ”
> Mr. Kejriwal did not return a telephone call or text message seeking
> comment. But other members of Team Anna played down the divisions within the
> coalition, and said that the Hisar political experiment was less a full-bore
> entry into politics than a warning shot to a complacent political class.
> “The idea was to give a mild warning to Congress,” said Medha Patkar, a
> prominent activist who is also part of the committee. The decision to become
> involved in the Hisar race, she said, was taken by a smaller working group
> in Delhi, not the whole committee.
> “The issue of electoral politics and movement needs to be discussed at
> deeper level,” she said. “There is no big disintegration of the movement
> but, yes, there is a difference of opinion.”
> Ms. Bedi said the Hisar vote was merely an effort to show voters they can
> elect representatives who support the Lokpal bill.
> “We are on voter awareness to ensure the parliament gets MPs who vote for
> the Jan Lok Pal bill,” she wrote.
> She said it was normal that some people would disagree and leave the
> “Team Anna is a coming together of strong activists and have own causes and
> views,” she said.
> *Was it a mistake for Team Anna to get involved in the Hisar election
> campaign? Share your thoughts in the comment section below.*
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