From:   Andy Anderson <>
Sent time:   Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:41:17 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] From One Seed a Tree Will Grow

That was great. And i haven't even been to NYC.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 4:30 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
YEs, agreed the map of lost lovers...turn on the lights... let's meet here, new york city, the city of many lights...

"City of Lights"
On each patch of green, from one shade to the next,
the noon is erasing itself by wiping out all color,
becoming pale, desolation everywhere,
the poison of exile painted on the walls.
In the distance,
there are terrible sorrows, like tides:
they draw back, swell, become full, subside.
They've turned the horizon to mist.
And behind that mist is the city of lights,
my city of many lights.

How will I return to you, my city,
where is the road to your lights? My hopes
are in retreat, exhausted by these unlit, broken walls,
and my heart, their leader, is in terrible doubt.

But let all be well, my city, if under
cover of darkness, in a final attack,
my heart leads its reserves of longings
and storms you tonight. Just tell all your lovers
to turn the wicks of their lamps high
so that I may find you, Oh, city,
my city of many lights.

Faiz Ahmed Faiz

(Translated by Agha Shahid Ali)

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Winter Siroco <> wrote:
Speaking of which, perhaps there should be a poet's group at the You just need to sen and email to Drew requesting it. Luke and friends may be also interested. It could also be an independent section in the web page. 

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:48 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
revolution in the service of poetry--never underestimate the power of inspiration (inspire to breathe--breath)
---Here is a poem by Faiz Ahmed Faiz a revolutionary poet

It's still distant, but there are hints of springtime:
some flowers, aching to bloom, have torn open their collars.

In this era of autumn, almost winter, leaves can still be heard:
their dry orchestras play, hidden in corners of the garden.

Night is still where it was, but colors at times take flight,
leaving red feathers of dawn on the sky.

Don't regret our breath's use as air, our blood's as oil --
some lamps at last are burning in the night.

Tilt your cup, don't hesitate! Having given up all,
we don't need wine. We've freed ourselves, made Time irrelevant.

When imprisoned man opens his eyes, cages will dissolve: air, fire,
water, earth -- all have pledged such dawns, such gardens to him.

Your feet bleed, Faiz, something surely will bloom
as you water the desert simply by walking through it.

(Translated by Agha Shahid Ali)

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Andy Anderson <> wrote:
Ok, I was confused, that happens sometimes. Did my post show up on maybe someone from OWS being able to skype into our first meeting, still to be announced as to when and where? I know we are autonomous, but getting participation from you all will help build some esteem from a badly cut and bruised work group.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:
I didn't mean that the collapse of Occupy Indianapolis was a good thing, I was responding to what you said about how "You all have awakened hope and drive into many of us. Inspiration to me, seems like starting an emotion, which is good. But by waking those of us up. What you all have started is a global movement. As we awaken, its our duty to wake those around us." OWS is just the beginning of a process, a movement that will play out over the course of the coming years. "Waking people up," bringing people into political activity and into a recognition of the need to organize and fight back, is the most important thing we need right now. We need the struggle to permeate every level of society.

All the people with jobs and families who can't immerse themselves in an occupation need to be involved in this movement for it to have any chance of succeeding on any level. And right now we haven't figured out how to do that yet. The movement is still mostly focused on the occupation itself, whereas to succeed people need to be able to participate in it no matter where they are economically or socially. A layer of people who have "woken up" and are ready to fight, who will spread the virus to others, is the key to the whole way forward for this movement.


On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Andy Anderson <> wrote:
Can you explain?

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:
This is the best thing OWS could possibly accomplish. I hope this is true everywhere the occupations have taken place.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Andy Anderson <> wrote:
Just to explain myself. You all have awakened hope and drive into many of us. Inspiration to me, seems like starting an emotion, which is good. But by waking those of us up. What you all have started is a global movement. As we awaken, its our duty to wake those around us. 

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Andy Anderson <> wrote:
Not inspired as much as awakened.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:16 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
insprired by OWS --from one seed a thousand trees will grow....

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Richard Machado <> wrote:
Beautiful and absolutely spot-on analysis. After all, we here in New York didn't grow our numbers over night. Planning meetings happened for about 2 months before the actual occupation. And we started with quite a small number of occupiers. So did DCs McPherson Square, although their planning meetings happened very briefly over irc chats and the rest in the occupation itself, which I thought was an interesting way to go about it. It worked though. It is also true though that DC is a flocking zone for activists though, so it may be sort of a skewed experiment. I would stress the same things you did, Andy. Organic growth. Organic sustainability. And Organic democratic process development. Stay strong Andy!

Love from the Big Rotten Apple,

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Andy Anderson <> wrote:
We at Occupy Indianapolis are currrently shutting down all actions,
websites, twitter acounts, We collapsed because we didn't
collectively grow. A thousand screaming people clamored to join, they
came, they protested, they left, and we collapsed. I am not speaking
for the GA. But we were not organic, and because we were never a
living, breathing thing. We never had life to begin with.We are now
splintered into factions. The workgroup I am apart of wants to
continue. Our group thinks that OWS began a movement that we want to
be a part of and at the same time support. We believe the corporations
have complete control of every aspect of our lives and this must
stop.We believe every political attempt to thwart this has been beaten
back by the forces created by the corporations. We must act to end
this. We then believe this core group can bring others into it, to
create a larger group, which can be broken into smaller working groups
that can actually make and accomplish goals, bring their ideas and
solutions to the larger group, thus making it stronger. We must grow
from the bottom up.This may take time and patience, but we this is the
only way to fix this. We have to begin at birth, not try to fix the
mess that currently is Occupy Indianapolis. Some other groups stated
that they wanted to visit New York, I have given them the information
they have asked for and I hope New York will help them. But for our
small group, we are asking guidance and support of the kind we have
been receiving from you to date. We are in this for the long haul. We
hope there will be a day we can be of service to others. The only
thing we have to offer now is to stress that other cities that started
as we did realize, the need to stay organic outweighs the desire to
have a large number of members. We are more than willing to help other
cities understand what does not work, and pass on information on what
does as we figure it out for ourselves..Peace and solidarity, Andy