From:   Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com>
Sent time:   Saturday, October 22, 2011 5:59:31 PM
To:   september17 <september17@googlegroups.com>
Subject:   [september17discuss] Re: From One Seed a Tree Will Grow
 

Speaking of Faiz Ahmed Faiz...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9GflzRpAeU

 

 

On Oct 22, 4:30 pm, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote:

> YEs, agreed ...in the map of lost lovers...turn on the lights... let's meet

> here, new york city, the city of many lights...

>

> "City of Lights"

> On each patch of green, from one shade to the next,

> the noon is erasing itself by wiping out all color,

> becoming pale, desolation everywhere,

> the poison of exile painted on the walls.

> In the distance,

> there are terrible sorrows, like tides:

> they draw back, swell, become full, subside.

> They've turned the horizon to mist.

> And behind that mist is the city of lights,

> my city of many lights.

>

> How will I return to you, my city,

> where is the road to your lights? My hopes

> are in retreat, exhausted by these unlit, broken walls,

> and my heart, their leader, is in terrible doubt.

>

> But let all be well, my city, if under

> cover of darkness, in a final attack,

> my heart leads its reserves of longings

> and storms you tonight. Just tell all your lovers

> to turn the wicks of their lamps high

> so that I may find you, Oh, city,

> my city of many lights.

>

> Faiz Ahmed Faiz

> (Translated by Agha Shahid Ali)

>

> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Winter Siroco <wintersir...@gmail.com>wrote:

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>

> > Speaking of which, perhaps there should be a poet's group at the

> >http://www.nycga.net/groups/You just need to sen and email to Drew

> > requesting it. Luke and friends may be also interested. It could also be an

> > independent section in the web page.

> > Cesar

>

> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:48 PM, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com>wrote:

>

> >> revolution in the service of poetry--never underestimate the power of

> >> inspiration (inspire to breathe--breath)

> >> ---Here is a poem by Faiz Ahmed Faiz a revolutionary poet

>

> >> It's still distant, but there are hints of springtime:

> >> some flowers, aching to bloom, have torn open their collars.

>

> >> In this era of autumn, almost winter, leaves can still be heard:

> >> their dry orchestras play, hidden in corners of the garden.

>

> >> Night is still where it was, but colors at times take flight,

> >> leaving red feathers of dawn on the sky.

>

> >> Don't regret our breath's use as air, our blood's as oil --

> >> some lamps at last are burning in the night.

>

> >> Tilt your cup, don't hesitate! Having given up all,

> >> we don't need wine. We've freed ourselves, made Time irrelevant.

>

> >> When imprisoned man opens his eyes, cages will dissolve: air, fire,

> >> water, earth -- all have pledged such dawns, such gardens to him.

>

> >> Your feet bleed, Faiz, something surely will bloom

> >> as you water the desert simply by walking through it.

>

> >> (Translated by Agha Shahid Ali)

>

> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Andy Anderson <3aeander...@gmail.com>wrote:

>

> >>> Ok, I was confused, that happens sometimes. Did my post show up on maybe

> >>> someone from OWS being able to skype into our first meeting, still to be

> >>> announced as to when and where? I know we are autonomous, but getting

> >>> participation from you all will help build some esteem from a badly cut and

> >>> bruised work group.

>

> >>> Andy

>

> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com>wrote:

>

> >>>> I didn't mean that the collapse of Occupy Indianapolis was a good thing,

> >>>> I was responding to what you said about how "You all have awakened hope and

> >>>> drive into many of us. Inspiration to me, seems like starting an emotion,

> >>>> which is good. But by waking those of us up. What you all have started is a

> >>>> global movement. As we awaken, its our duty to wake those around us." OWS is

> >>>> just the beginning of a process, a movement that will play out over the

> >>>> course of the coming years. "Waking people up," bringing people into

> >>>> political activity and into a recognition of the need to organize and fight

> >>>> back, is the most important thing we need right now. We need the struggle to

> >>>> permeate every level of society.

>

> >>>> All the people with jobs and families who can't immerse themselves in an

> >>>> occupation need to be involved in this movement for it to have any chance of

> >>>> succeeding on any level. And right now we haven't figured out how to do that

> >>>> yet. The movement is still mostly focused on the occupation itself, whereas

> >>>> to succeed people need to be able to participate in it no matter where they

> >>>> are economically or socially. A layer of people who have "woken up" and are

> >>>> ready to fight, who will spread the virus to others, is the key to the whole

> >>>> way forward for this movement.

>

> >>>> Doug

>

> >>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Andy Anderson <3aeander...@gmail.com>wrote:

>

> >>>>> Can you explain?

>

> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com>wrote:

>

> >>>>>> This is the best thing OWS could possibly accomplish. I hope this is

> >>>>>> true everywhere the occupations have taken place.

>

> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Andy Anderson <3aeander...@gmail.com

> >>>>>> > wrote:

>

> >>>>>>> Just to explain myself. You all have awakened hope and drive into

> >>>>>>> many of us. Inspiration to me, seems like starting an emotion, which is

> >>>>>>> good. But by waking those of us up. What you all have started is a global

> >>>>>>> movement. As we awaken, its our duty to wake those around us.

>

> >>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Andy Anderson <

> >>>>>>> 3aeander...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >>>>>>>> Not inspired as much as awakened.

>

> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:16 PM, shaista husain <

> >>>>>>>> shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >>>>>>>>> insprired by OWS --from one seed a thousand trees will grow....

> >>>>>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvHvDH0yWK4

>

> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Doug Singsen <

> >>>>>>>>> dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >>>>>>>>>> exactly

>

> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Richard Machado <

> >>>>>>>>>> richardwm...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Beautiful and absolutely spot-on analysis. After all, we here in

> >>>>>>>>>>> New York didn't grow our numbers over night. Planning meetings happened for

> >>>>>>>>>>> about 2 months before the actual occupation. And we started with quite a

> >>>>>>>>>>> small number of occupiers. So did DCs McPherson Square, although their

> >>>>>>>>>>> planning meetings happened very briefly over irc chats and the rest in the

> >>>>>>>>>>> occupation itself, which I thought was an interesting way to go about it. It

> >>>>>>>>>>> worked though. It is also true though that DC is a flocking zone for

> >>>>>>>>>>> activists though, so it may be sort of a skewed experiment. I would stress

> >>>>>>>>>>> the same things you did, Andy. Organic growth. Organic sustainability. And

> >>>>>>>>>>> Organic democratic process development. Stay strong Andy!

>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Love from the Big Rotten Apple,

> >>>>>>>>>>> Richie

>

> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Andy Anderson <

> >>>>>>>>>>> 3aeander...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> We at Occupy Indianapolis are currrently shutting down all

> >>>>>>>>>>>> actions,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> websites, twitter acounts, et.al. We collapsed because we

> >>>>>>>>>>>> didn't

> >>>>>>>>>>>> collectively grow. A thousand screaming people clamored to join,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> they

> >>>>>>>>>>>> came, they protested, they left, and we collapsed. I am not

> >>>>>>>>>>>> speaking

> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the GA. But we were not organic, and because we were never a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> living, breathing thing. We never had life to begin with.We are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> now

> >>>>>>>>>>>> splintered into factions. The workgroup I am apart of wants to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> continue. Our group thinks that OWS began a movement that we

> >>>>>>>>>>>> want to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> be a part of and at the same time support. We believe the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> corporations

> >>>>>>>>>>>> have complete control of every aspect of our lives and this must

> >>>>>>>>>>>> stop.We believe every political attempt to thwart this has been

> >>>>>>>>>>>> beaten

> >>>>>>>>>>>> back by the forces created by the corporations. We must act to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> end

> >>>>>>>>>>>> this. We then believe this core group can bring others into it,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> create a larger group, which can be broken into smaller working

> >>>>>>>>>>>> groups

> >>>>>>>>>>>> that can actually make and accomplish goals, bring their ideas

> >>>>>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> solutions to the larger group, thus making it stronger. We must

> >>>>>>>>>>>> grow

> >>>>>>>>>>>> from the bottom up.This may take time and patience, but we this

> >>>>>>>>>>>> is the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> only way to fix this. We have to begin at birth, not try to fix

> >>>>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> mess that currently is Occupy Indianapolis. Some other groups

> >>>>>>>>>>>> stated

> >>>>>>>>>>>> that they wanted to visit New York, I have given them the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> information

> >>>>>>>>>>>> they have asked for and I hope New York will help them. But for

> >>>>>>>>>>>> our

> >>>>>>>>>>>> small group, we are asking guidance and support of the kind we

> >>>>>>>>>>>> have

> >>>>>>>>>>>> been receiving from you to date. We are in this for the long

> >>>>>>>>>>>> haul. We

> >>>>>>>>>>>> hope there will be a day we can be of service to others. The

> >>>>>>>>>>>> only

> >>>>>>>>>>>> thing we have to offer now is to stress that other cities that

> >>>>>>>>>>>> started

> >>>>>>>>>>>> as we did realize, the need to stay organic outweighs the desire

> >>>>>>>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> have a large number of members. We are more than willing to help

> >>>>>>>>>>>> other

> >>>>>>>>>>>> cities understand what does not work, and pass on information on

> >>>>>>>>>>>> what

> >>>>>>>>>>>> does as we figure it out for ourselves..Peace and solidarity,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Andy

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anderson

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