From:   jemcgloin@verizon.net
Sent time:   Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:50:26 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: From One Seed a Tree Will Grow
 

 Awesome
 
 
On 10/22/11, Richard S.<chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote:
Speaking of Faiz Ahmed Faiz...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9GflzRpAeU


On Oct 22, 4:30 pm, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> YEs, agreed ...in the map of lost lovers...turn on the lights... let's meet
> here, new york city, the city of many lights...
>
> "City of Lights"
> On each patch of green, from one shade to the next,
> the noon is erasing itself by wiping out all color,
> becoming pale, desolation everywhere,
> the poison of exile painted on the walls.
> In the distance,
> there are terrible sorrows, like tides:
> they draw back, swell, become full, subside.
> They've turned the horizon to mist.
> And behind that mist is the city of lights,
> my city of many lights.
>
> How will I return to you, my city,
> where is the road to your lights? My hopes
> are in retreat, exhausted by these unlit, broken walls,
> and my heart, their leader, is in terrible doubt.
>
> But let all be well, my city, if under
> cover of darkness, in a final attack,
> my heart leads its reserves of longings
> and storms you tonight. Just tell all your lovers
> to turn the wicks of their lamps high
> so that I may find you, Oh, city,
> my city of many lights.
>
> Faiz Ahmed Faiz
> (Translated by Agha Shahid Ali)
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Winter Siroco <wintersir...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > Speaking of which, perhaps there should be a poet's group at the
> >http://www.nycga.net/groups/You just need to sen and email to Drew
> > requesting it. Luke and friends may be also interested. It could also be an
> > independent section in the web page.
> > Cesar
>
> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:48 PM, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> revolution in the service of poetry--never underestimate the power of
> >> inspiration (inspire to breathe--breath)
> >> ---Here is a poem by Faiz Ahmed Faiz a revolutionary poet
>
> >> It's still distant, but there are hints of springtime:
> >> some flowers, aching to bloom, have torn open their collars.
>
> >> In this era of autumn, almost winter, leaves can still be heard:
> >> their dry orchestras play, hidden in corners of the garden.
>
> >> Night is still where it was, but colors at times take flight,
> >> leaving red feathers of dawn on the sky.
>
> >> Don't regret our breath's use as air, our blood's as oil --
> >> some lamps at last are burning in the night.
>
> >> Tilt your cup, don't hesitate! Having given up all,
> >> we don't need wine. We've freed ourselves, made Time irrelevant.
>
> >> When imprisoned man opens his eyes, cages will dissolve: air, fire,
> >> water, earth -- all have pledged such dawns, such gardens to him.
>
> >> Your feet bleed, Faiz, something surely will bloom
> >> as you water the desert simply by walking through it.
>
> >> (Translated by Agha Shahid Ali)
>
> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Andy Anderson <3aeander...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> Ok, I was confused, that happens sometimes. Did my post show up on maybe
> >>> someone from OWS being able to skype into our first meeting, still to be
> >>> announced as to when and where? I know we are autonomous, but getting
> >>> participation from you all will help build some esteem from a badly cut and
> >>> bruised work group.
>
> >>> Andy
>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>> I didn't mean that the collapse of Occupy Indianapolis was a good thing,
> >>>> I was responding to what you said about how "You all have awakened hope and
> >>>> drive into many of us. Inspiration to me, seems like starting an emotion,
> >>>> which is good. But by waking those of us up. What you all have started is a
> >>>> global movement. As we awaken, its our duty to wake those around us." OWS is
> >>>> just the beginning of a process, a movement that will play out over the
> >>>> course of the coming years. "Waking people up," bringing people into
> >>>> political activity and into a recognition of the need to organize and fight
> >>>> back, is the most important thing we need right now. We need the struggle to
> >>>> permeate every level of society.
>
> >>>> All the people with jobs and families who can't immerse themselves in an
> >>>> occupation need to be involved in this movement for it to have any chance of
> >>>> succeeding on any level. And right now we haven't figured out how to do that
> >>>> yet. The movement is still mostly focused on the occupation itself, whereas
> >>>> to succeed people need to be able to participate in it no matter where they
> >>>> are economically or socially. A layer of people who have "woken up" and are
> >>>> ready to fight, who will spread the virus to others, is the key to the whole
> >>>> way forward for this movement.
>
> >>>> Doug
>
> >>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Andy Anderson <3aeander...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>>> Can you explain?
>
> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>>>> This is the best thing OWS could possibly accomplish. I hope this is
> >>>>>> true everywhere the occupations have taken place.
>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Andy Anderson <3aeander...@gmail.com
> >>>>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Just to explain myself. You all have awakened hope and drive into
> >>>>>>> many of us. Inspiration to me, seems like starting an emotion, which is
> >>>>>>> good. But by waking those of us up. What you all have started is a global
> >>>>>>> movement. As we awaken, its our duty to wake those around us.
>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Andy Anderson <
> >>>>>>> 3aeander...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> Not inspired as much as awakened.
>
> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:16 PM, shaista husain <
> >>>>>>>> shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> insprired by OWS --from one seed a thousand trees will grow....
> >>>>>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvHvDH0yWK4
>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Doug Singsen <
> >>>>>>>>> dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> exactly
>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Richard Machado <
> >>>>>>>>>> richardwm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Beautiful and absolutely spot-on analysis. After all, we here in
> >>>>>>>>>>> New York didn't grow our numbers over night. Planning meetings happened for
> >>>>>>>>>>> about 2 months before the actual occupation. And we started with quite a
> >>>>>>>>>>> small number of occupiers. So did DCs McPherson Square, although their
> >>>>>>>>>>> planning meetings happened very briefly over irc chats and the rest in the
> >>>>>>>>>>> occupation itself, which I thought was an interesting way to go about it. It
> >>>>>>>>>>> worked though. It is also true though that DC is a flocking zone for
> >>>>>>>>>>> activists though, so it may be sort of a skewed experiment. I would stress
> >>>>>>>>>>> the same things you did, Andy. Organic growth. Organic sustainability. And
> >>>>>>>>>>> Organic democratic process development. Stay strong Andy!
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Love from the Big Rotten Apple,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Richie
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Andy Anderson <
> >>>>>>>>>>> 3aeander...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We at Occupy Indianapolis are currrently shutting down all
> >>>>>>>>>>>> actions,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> websites, twitter acounts, et.al. We collapsed because we
> >>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> collectively grow. A thousand screaming people clamored to join,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>> came, they protested, they left, and we collapsed. I am not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> speaking
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the GA. But we were not organic, and because we were never a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> living, breathing thing. We never had life to begin with.We are
> >>>>>>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>>>>>> splintered into factions. The workgroup I am apart of wants to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> continue. Our group thinks that OWS began a movement that we
> >>>>>>>>>>>> want to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> be a part of and at the same time support. We believe the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> corporations
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have complete control of every aspect of our lives and this must
> >>>>>>>>>>>> stop.We believe every political attempt to thwart this has been
> >>>>>>>>>>>> beaten
> >>>>>>>>>>>> back by the forces created by the corporations. We must act to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> end
> >>>>>>>>>>>> this. We then believe this core group can bring others into it,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> create a larger group, which can be broken into smaller working
> >>>>>>>>>>>> groups
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that can actually make and accomplish goals, bring their ideas
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> solutions to the larger group, thus making it stronger. We must
> >>>>>>>>>>>> grow
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from the bottom up.This may take time and patience, but we this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> only way to fix this. We have to begin at birth, not try to fix
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> mess that currently is Occupy Indianapolis. Some other groups
> >>>>>>>>>>>> stated
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that they wanted to visit New York, I have given them the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> information
> >>>>>>>>>>>> they have asked for and I hope New York will help them. But for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>>>>>>> small group, we are asking guidance and support of the kind we
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> been receiving from you to date. We are in this for the long
> >>>>>>>>>>>> haul. We
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hope there will be a day we can be of service to others. The
> >>>>>>>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>>>>>>> thing we have to offer now is to stress that other cities that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> started
> >>>>>>>>>>>> as we did realize, the need to stay organic outweighs the desire
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have a large number of members. We are more than willing to help
> >>>>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>>> cities understand what does not work, and pass on information on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>> does as we figure it out for ourselves..Peace and solidarity,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Andy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anderson
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