From:   shaista husain <>
Sent time:   Monday, October 24, 2011 10:59:07 AM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: visit by Egyptian "revolutionaries"

But the "fight" is a non=violent one. It is all peaceful protesters against the police and military state. which is why it is interesting. I hope the police all go on strike now! This can only be good news.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:43 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
Here is a poem by Bertolt Brecht.

"What if they gave a war and nobody came?
Why, then, the war would come to you!
He who stays home when the fight begins
And lets another fight for his cause
Should take care:
He who does not take part
In the battle will share in the defeat.
Even avoiding battle will not avoid battle.
Since not to fight for your own cause
Really means
Fighting on behalf of your enemy's cause."

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:39 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
In all sincerity, i do believe there is a mutiny in the police force and army. This is very difficult to understand--this is why i posted it, perhaps Andrew who is following the Egyptian Revolution can provide insight, or yourself, Doug.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:
What does it mean that the police are on strike? They have been the main force used against the revolution, so their going on strike is not necessarily friendly to the revolution. What are their demands and how are the independent unions and the revolutionary groups relating to it?

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:18 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
Yes IRI, sorry for typo, and thanks for clarification.
There is huge national strike by the Police today in Egypt,

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:34 AM, <> wrote:
IRI, not IRA -- the International Republican Institute. It, and the equivalent one for the Democratic Party, work with NED to try to foster procapitalist individuals and groups in every country fighting dictatorship. Their dream is to end up with totally procapitalist, proimperialist, prowar regimes headed by politicians like Vaclav Havel or Lech Walesa, and to diminish the influence of genuinely grassroots, proworker groups.
I didn't know Tawakkul had worked with them. I hope that's inaccurate hearsay.
I don't have any references handy at the moment and am bogged down at work, hopefully others will be able to supply.
If anyone on the list is old enough to remember AIFLD -- the "labor" front which the CIA ran through the AFL-CIO to oppose liberation movements around the world, then you have some idea of how dangerous the NED and its fronts are.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: shaista husain <>
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: visit by Egyptian "revolutionaries"
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:29:41 -0400

NED and IRA has supported and celebrated many revolutionaries (perhaps as an afterthought) Tawakkul Karman, for example, from Women Journalists Without Chains--So, i am not sure what role these State Dept.NGOs play--can you elaborate further please?

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:12 AM, <> wrote:
Since this list has had a long discussion about dangers of our cooptation, see my description to a friend of today's speakers. Whether the first and last have been coopted, are in danger of same, or are falsely being claimed as friends by the coopters, is for all of us to determine patiently and after gathering evidence.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:27 AM, <> wrote:
1. I heard Ahmed Maher at the Brecht earlier this year, he's a supporter of el-Baradei, very unclear (at best) on the dangers of getting State Department support -- and a sexist to boost (in answer to questions about whether women were underrepresented in the movement he kept joking about how men needed more support as they were outnumbered.
2. Asmaa Mahfouz seems universally respected, don't know Esraa Abdel Fattahj.
3. Bassem Fathy is claimed by the IRI (a State Department/NED agency for "democratizing" the Third World) as one of its staff.