From:   Snafu <>
Sent time:   Monday, October 24, 2011 9:45:35 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Structure Proposal: Spokes-Council?

John's concerns are legitimate. We need to open up a discussion on this listserv and it would be important if there would be facilitators here so that the discussion is not based on mere speculations but builds upon discussions that are going on IRL.

My two cents, as of now: The Spokes Council goes in the right direction, because the current structure of the GA empowers too much the individual by giving each participant the power to block a proposal. However, from the current draft it is not clear why Working Groups would have to form clusters. The case could be made that if each Working Group (and Caucus) had its own spoke, people would feel better represented. The current proposal requires a constant preliminary work of mediation among groups that may not always be easy to perform both time-wise and politically--as groups have different agendas and are frequently jealous of their autonomy. The last thing we want to have is a Spokes Council where the Spokes are constantly contested by those sitting behind them!

On the other hand, if this prep work is successful, the Spokes Council could work much better as a lot of issues would have been discussed in advance...

Does anyone on this list can give us at least a weekly update on these 2pm meetings?


On 10/24/11 10:14 PM, wrote:
 Hi,  If anyone has been going to the teach-ins on the spokes-councils, or is on the structure group, or is convinced that this change is a good idea, can you please explain why we need clusters.
Also can you go on the forum at and try to answer questions there. I read the proposal a dozen times, but I don't really see what the point of the clusters are or how they are supposed to create transparency, or accountablility.  Structure is not answering my emails or going on their forum to answer any questions.  It is not fair that the people that are able to sleep there this week are able to change the entire nature of the GA, without input from those of us that can't afford to quit our jobs to go to 2pm teach-ins.
On 10/23/11, wrote:
 In case you missed it, the proposal comes before the GA again on Wednesday, the structure group has an email address at and the proposal and forum is at If someone could go on there and explain why we need clusters and not just a meeting of working groups I would appreciate it.  Teach-ins are daily at 2pm at 60 Wall.
(If any one is at the park regularly I would like to know if they are reaching out to everyone at the park.)
On 10/23/11, shaista husain<> wrote:
The proposal is online, already on nycga folks can check it out, but we do need minutes, i agree--since this is very important--we should also note that Open Source is presenting a new platform, not sure when it will be developed or in effect, but which will also change the structure of how we organize. Online presence will be vital to keep us growing and participating.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:42 AM, J.A. Myerson <> wrote:
+1 Snafu.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Snafu <> wrote:
Given the importance of this proposal, can anyone who will be a regular in these meetings post minutes or a summary to this listserv please?

Thank you!

On 10/22/11 6:23 PM, Liliana Gomez wrote:
Exactly, how do we get our voice in these daytime meetings?


On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:

Yes, this is a key problem. How do workers participate???

Sent from my phone

On Oct 22, 2011 1:24 PM, "shaista husain" <> wrote:
Thanks for invite--can we also email you some concerns as well--in good spirit--i am working all week!!!!
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Marina Sitrin <> wrote:

The process to make changes to the process is an inspiration in
horizontal organizing!

Bravo to you all!

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Marisa Holmes <> wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> If you'd like to learn more about the structure proposal
> come to teach-ins/ workshops at 60 Wall.
> We'll be meeting every day at 2pm!=)
> In solidarity,
> Marisa

Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

J.A. Myerson