From:   rob hollander <>
Sent time:   Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:50:13 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Ben and Jerry's

I don't see why OWS should encourage Ben and Jerry's to create an occupy flavor. They will create it on their own anyway, and for OWS to encourage any corporation to make money on OWS would be an embarrassment for OWS, especially since Ben and Jerry's hasn't yet done anything really substantial to help OWS.

So ask them for something substantial, maybe of a media nature, like making news interviews getting out the truth, or maybe organizing other corporations that support OWS with vocal and logistical support (and watch the cooption). 

Btw, if OWS trademarked "Occupy Wall Street" and "We are the 99%" you'd keep cheap entrepreneurs from exploiting the name. Once a low-life trademarks it, he'll eventually sell it to some huge national corporation which will turn it into a vulgar circus everywhere. Maybe that'd be good for OWS somehow, but that's where it'll go. Look at the 60's peace sign -- it was produced everywhere and became required jewelry among many who had no interest in peace.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:40 PM, <> wrote:
I think that's what they would call "helping out".


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From: Harrison Schultz <>
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:21:06 -0400
To: <>
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Ben and Jerry's

If we're trully anti-corporate then I believe we have a duty to somehow exploit this corporation in spite of the fact that they are relatively benign compared to most.  Let them make a stupid "occupie" flavor for the month or whatever on the condition that they set up their stands outside the camp, hand out the flavor only for free along literature that we alone give them, and tell them to direct more foot traffic to camp and to marches or something along those lines.

Use em and abuse em, 

That's just my two cents, 


On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Will Gauss <> wrote:
When I slept there this weekend we had tents and tarps up all over.  NNU had a first aid tent up prominently.

If they really want to be super awesome, we need more space.  We need our own bathrooms, community showers.  I have no idea if this is within their means or not.  Ben & Jerry's is a very progressive company when you look into them, their max pay ratio versus the common worker is better than the Soviet Union.  It's rather telling that they were the first "mainstream" ones to stick their necks out for us and declare support.

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On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:49 PM, gail zawacki <> wrote:

legal help forcing the city to allow tents.  It's going to be much, much harder to overwinter without them.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, <> wrote:
Yeah how about a whole bunch of cold weather gear.  What do they wear when they are walking around the ice cream freezers?
On 10/25/11, J.A. Myerson<> wrote:
Anything more immediate? I suspect flavor development and release takes a while, and we gotta get through a difficult winter before it's ice cream time again.


On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Martin Kaminer <> wrote:
Would be a perfect thing for twitter.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Martin Kaminer <> wrote:
How about a contest to name their new OWS Ice Cream flavor??

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Justin Wedes <> wrote:
Occu-Pie is already a pizza from Liberato's!

On Oct 25, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote:

A new flavor. Occu-Pie. Something with bits of coconut please.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:12 PM, J.A. Myerson <> wrote:
They stand really firmly with us and want to know how they can help out. At the same time, they're conscious of our anxieties surrounding co-optation and don't want their support to be a PR thing for them. Anyone have good ideas about steps they can take? E-mail here or off-list.


Rob Hollander
Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
622 E 11, #10
NYC, 10009