From:   rob hollander <>
Sent time:   Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:46:07 AM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Ben and Jerry's

I'm inclined to agree with Jon, but consider how much concern there is about cooption from MoveOn and Democratic electeds. Engaging advertising with a corporation should garner at least as much concern, unless the concern about Democratic cooption was really just about left in-fighting after all.

I don't see any fear of cooption unless OWS marches into the Democratic Party. But using corporate methods in willing cooperation with a corporation will undermine the rhetoric of the movement. It demonstrates to the public the success of the corporate model at influencing the public with advertising and marketing, which is the entire justification of the corporate model of influencing government. You can't eat the cake and have it too.

So let B&J do what they like with their ice cream to promote OWS, but OWS ought to stay clear of any complicity with it.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Jon Good <> wrote:
I like Harrison's idea and I don't even think its abuse or trickery. Food—especially free ice cream—is one of the greatest outreach and organizing tools we could ever get. If we had maybe the declaration of grievances and/or some some *really* good fliers along with the free ice cream (maybe served in cups with facts about how fucked up banks are printed on them) on a bunch of street corners across America, that would be something. 

On Oct 26, 2011, at 9:27 PM, gail zawacki <> wrote:

How about help setting up R&R for occupiers.  There should be an organized network of people who maybe can't be occupiers but will give them respite for some specified time - a warm bed, shower, laundry, whatever - so the occupiers can rotate without freezing to death, and we can keep the presence in the park(s).

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:40 PM, <> wrote:
I think that's what they would call "helping out".


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From: Harrison Schultz <>
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:21:06 -0400
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Ben and Jerry's

If we're trully anti-corporate then I believe we have a duty to somehow exploit this corporation in spite of the fact that they are relatively benign compared to most.  Let them make a stupid "occupie" flavor for the month or whatever on the condition that they set up their stands outside the camp, hand out the flavor only for free along literature that we alone give them, and tell them to direct more foot traffic to camp and to marches or something along those lines.

Use em and abuse em, 

That's just my two cents, 


On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Will Gauss <> wrote:
When I slept there this weekend we had tents and tarps up all over.  NNU had a first aid tent up prominently.

If they really want to be super awesome, we need more space.  We need our own bathrooms, community showers.  I have no idea if this is within their means or not.  Ben & Jerry's is a very progressive company when you look into them, their max pay ratio versus the common worker is better than the Soviet Union.  It's rather telling that they were the first "mainstream" ones to stick their necks out for us and declare support.

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On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:49 PM, gail zawacki <> wrote:

legal help forcing the city to allow tents.  It's going to be much, much harder to overwinter without them.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, <> wrote:
Yeah how about a whole bunch of cold weather gear.  What do they wear when they are walking around the ice cream freezers?
On 10/25/11, J.A. Myerson<> wrote:
Anything more immediate? I suspect flavor development and release takes a while, and we gotta get through a difficult winter before it's ice cream time again.


On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Martin Kaminer <> wrote:
Would be a perfect thing for twitter.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Martin Kaminer <> wrote:
How about a contest to name their new OWS Ice Cream flavor??

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Justin Wedes <> wrote:
Occu-Pie is already a pizza from Liberato's!

On Oct 25, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote:

A new flavor. Occu-Pie. Something with bits of coconut please.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:12 PM, J.A. Myerson <> wrote:
They stand really firmly with us and want to know how they can help out. At the same time, they're conscious of our anxieties surrounding co-optation and don't want their support to be a PR thing for them. Anyone have good ideas about steps they can take? E-mail here or off-list.


Rob Hollander
Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
622 E 11, #10
NYC, 10009