From:   Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Thursday, October 27, 2011 1:44:07 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Ben and Jerry's
 

If the corporation is a good one (usually a relatively small one...

one that doesn't harm society, doesn't support bad officials and

policy and doesn't harm people and nature) then OK by me... And then

we use the money EFFECTIVELY... in ways that will PROPEL this movement

and make it a force greater than Wall St, political corruption and

barbarous people in general.

 

When I say "use the money effectively", I mean use money in support of

existing, great, practical, humane ideas and technologies (and come up

with new creative ones too of course) to BUILD A FUTURE FOR OURSELVES

as human beings, nature and the planet. COUNTER the forces of power

and mainstream media, and instead accurately, clearly, succinctly,

poignantly engage in outreach, volunteer recruitment and voter

registration campaigns and direct democracy/civics training. Artists,

signage, peaceful flashmobs, rallies, marches, demonstrations, direct

action campaigns, and accurate media. Use the tools we currently have

to report what's really at stake and what we're all fighting for, Gain

support and volunteers throughout broad mass outreach! Mass outreach

(with strong, practical, engaging, empowering messaging),

coordination, effective info and workflow, accurate journalism, and

grassroots activism/community building are most important I think. And

of course breed and foster individual leadership!

 

And by the way... WE ARE ALL OUTREACH and we ALL need to be getting

other people to volunteer any time and effort they can afford.... As

we all know things are pretty bad, power structure very entrenched and

anything a person can do helps. Even if new people just write a letter

to the Governor, President, Congress, District Attorney, a political

prisoner, etc. Or start looking at Democracy Now and the facts, start

showing up at a meeting, rally etc. (and all on volunteer basis with

no money of course!)

 

On that note, I would also be okay with actually rewarding the people

or small orgs voted most effective in propelling this movement forward

to get a small amount of the donated cash from the pot that's coming

in. We're all struggling right now and it's gives incentive and

facilitates movement building. But only if we have a fair way to

decide who gets it.

 

I know I got a bit off-track... But my 2 cents. And again as far as

corporate funding... As long as it supports policy that makes the

planet and our future better and not worse... Then I'm okay with it.

 

 

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:46 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm inclined to agree with Jon, but consider how much concern there is about

> cooption from MoveOn and Democratic electeds. Engaging advertising with a

> corporation should garner at least as much concern, unless the concern about

> Democratic cooption was really just about left in-fighting after all.

>

> I don't see any fear of cooption unless OWS marches into the Democratic

> Party. But using corporate methods in willing cooperation with a corporation

> will undermine the rhetoric of the movement. It demonstrates to the public

> the success of the corporate model at influencing the public with

> advertising and marketing, which is the entire justification of the

> corporate model of influencing government. You can't eat the cake and have

> it too.

>

> So let B&J do what they like with their ice cream to promote OWS, but OWS

> ought to stay clear of any complicity with it.

>

> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> I like Harrison's idea and I don't even think its abuse or trickery.

>> Food—especially free ice cream—is one of the greatest outreach and

>> organizing tools we could ever get. If we had maybe the declaration of

>> grievances and/or some some *really* good fliers along with the free ice

>> cream (maybe served in cups with facts about how fucked up banks are printed

>> on them) on a bunch of street corners across America, that would be

>> something.

>>

>>

>>

>> On Oct 26, 2011, at 9:27 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> How about help setting up R&R for occupiers.  There should be an organized

>> network of people who maybe can't be occupiers but will give them respite

>> for some specified time - a warm bed, shower, laundry, whatever - so the

>> occupiers can rotate without freezing to death, and we can keep the presence

>> in the park(s).

>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:40 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> I think that's what they would call "helping out".

>>>

>>> --glj

>>>

>>> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

>>>

>>> ________________________________

>>> From: Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com>

>>> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com

>>> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:21:06 -0400

>>> To: <september17@googlegroups.com>

>>> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com

>>> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Ben and Jerry's

>>> If we're trully anti-corporate then I believe we have a duty to somehow

>>> exploit this corporation in spite of the fact that they are

>>> relatively benign compared to most.  Let them make a stupid "occupie" flavor

>>> for the month or whatever on the condition that they set up their stands

>>> outside the camp, hand out the flavor only for free along literature that we

>>> alone give them, and tell them to direct more foot traffic to camp and to

>>> marches or something along those lines.

>>> Use em and abuse em,

>>> That's just my two cents,

>>> Harrison

>>>

>>>

>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> When I slept there this weekend we had tents and tarps up all over.  NNU

>>>> had a first aid tent up prominently.

>>>> If they really want to be super awesome, we need more space.  We need

>>>> our own bathrooms, community showers.  I have no idea if this is within

>>>> their means or not.  Ben & Jerry's is a very progressive company when you

>>>> look into them, their max pay ratio versus the common worker is better than

>>>> the Soviet Union.  It's rather telling that they were the first "mainstream"

>>>> ones to stick their necks out for us and declare support.

>>>>

>>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:49 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> legal help forcing the city to allow tents.  It's going to be much, much

>>>> harder to overwinter without them.

>>>>

>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Yeah how about a whole bunch of cold weather gear.  What do they wear

>>>>> when they are walking around the ice cream freezers?

>>>>>

>>>>> On 10/25/11, J.A. Myerson<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> Anything more immediate? I suspect flavor development and release takes

>>>>> a while, and we gotta get through a difficult winter before it's ice cream

>>>>> time again.

>>>>> JAM

>>>>>

>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Martin Kaminer

>>>>> <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Would be a perfect thing for twitter.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Martin Kaminer

>>>>>> <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> How about a contest to name their new OWS Ice Cream flavor??

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Occu-Pie is already a pizza from Liberato's!

>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> A new flavor. Occu-Pie. Something with bits of coconut please.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:12 PM, J.A. Myerson

>>>>>>>> <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> They stand really firmly with us and want to know how they can help

>>>>>>>>> out. At the same time, they're conscious of our anxieties surrounding

>>>>>>>>> co-optation and don't want their support to be a PR thing for them. Anyone

>>>>>>>>> have good ideas about steps they can take? E-mail here or off-list.

>>>>>>>>> Cheers,

>>>>>>>>> JAM

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>> J.A. Myerson

>>>>>>>>> http://www.jamyerson.com

>>>>>>>>> 347.688.0241

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> J.A. Myerson

>>>>> http://www.jamyerson.com

>>>>> 347.688.0241

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

>

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