From:   rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Friday, October 28, 2011 8:11:13 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Principles of Solidarity of the Wall Street Occupation
 

I dunno, Charlie. Setting up principles for a social movement still seems strange to me. But, as I say, it doesn't bother me, since I think they'll be ignored as prescriptions for participation.

On the other hand, Shaista has an important point -- the documents will be seen and received. That's why I see it as a proclamation. Why should it be issued from OWS -- a movement -- rather than from some interest group within OWS?

I'm trying to suggest that participants should start thinking of OWS as a social movement and shed the larva stage of the organization that created this movement.


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:45 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:
These Principles will be well received the world over--the world is
watching us--through the media---but this is more like a personal love
letter to all our comrades in the world--more direct action. When
Egypt sent its letter to Oakland, it is inspiring, when we see Iranian
women marching against their gov't in support of OWS, when new
occupations spontaneously rise up in, for example, Lahore Pakistan---i
see this as a warm embrace in solidarity--a proclamation is an
action==spread the love.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Charlie Grapski <cjgrapski@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think this goes as far as you take it.  I think that these are
> general statements of principle - rather than the issues you raise concerns
> about.
>
> I think articulating such principles is both helpful and necessary.
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:28 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You have a social movement -- an action with people filling it with their
>> action. Much of this statement strikes me as an unnecessary proclamation of
>> what is already visible in action.
>>
>> Issuing proclamations strikes me as premature. That doesn't bother me.
>> Early proclamations will be ignored as the social movement spreads with its
>> own momentum: the movement will be defined by its participants and its own
>> momentum's directions, not proclamations.
>>
>> Premature proclamations also strike me as immature. That worries me
>> because it characterizes the movement as immature.
>>
>> So, why is there a desperate need to proclaim anything about OWS? Actions
>> speak louder than words. OWS is an action. It's a loud action. It's been
>> heard around the world. Words seem comical and absurd by compare.
>>
>> Why shouldn't occupiers form interest/issue groups to find their own means
>> to speak for themselves? Why this obsession with turning OWS from a movement
>> into an organization?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:11 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I looked at the doc.  How about structuring it somehow - numbering the
>>> bullet points to make it easier to refer to individual issues?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Charlie, It is hard to find where the differences are, it may be better
>>>> if you send your comments
>>>> to http://www.nycga.net/groups/principles-of-solidarity-consolidation/ and/or
>>>> if you join the working group that will consolidate the thoughts and
>>>> comments of everybody else.
>>>> Cesar
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Charlie Grapski <cjgrapski@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have made, offered, and sent the following revisions.  Please
>>>>> comment:
>>>>>
>>>>> On September 17, 2011, people from across the United States of America
>>>>> and the world joined together to protest the injustices blatant in our times
>>>>> that are being perpetuated by economic and political elites within a
>>>>> corrupted social, political, and economic system.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As individuals we rose up against systematic political
>>>>> disenfranchisement and widespread social and economic injustice.  We spoke
>>>>> out, resisted, and successfully occupied Wall Street.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Today, we proudly remain in Liberty Square constituting ourselves as a
>>>>> community of autonomous political beings engaged in non-violent civil
>>>>> disobedience and building solidarity based on mutual respect, acceptance,
>>>>> and love.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We have been joined in these efforts by Occupations across the Nation
>>>>> and the globe in a Movement that continues to grow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is from these reclaimed grounds that we say to all Americans and to
>>>>> the world:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Enough!  How many crises does it take?  The time has come for action.
>>>>> We are the 99% and we are acting to reclaim our mortgaged future. Through
>>>>> direct democratic process we have come together as individuals and crafted
>>>>> the following principles of solidarity.  These points of unity include but
>>>>> are not limited to:
>>>>>
>>>>> Engaging as citizens in direct and transparent participatory democracy;
>>>>> Reforming our social and political institutions and processes to
>>>>> achieve true democracy in practice;
>>>>> Re-establishing a viable political public sphere;
>>>>> Exercising personal and collective responsibility;
>>>>> Recognizing the inherent rights of individuals and the influence these
>>>>> have on social interactions;
>>>>> Empowering one another against all forms of oppression;
>>>>> Redefining and revaluing labor;
>>>>> Respecting the sanctity of individual privacy;
>>>>> Establishing the principle that education is a human right and a
>>>>> societal responsibility; and
>>>>> Endeavoring to practice and support the wide application of open source
>>>>> principles and concepts.
>>>>>
>>>>> We dare to imagine an alternative social, political, and economic
>>>>> system that offers and ensures greater possibilities of equality and
>>>>> justice.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will continue to formulate and consolidate the principles of
>>>>> solidarity which unite us and will seek in due time to translate these into
>>>>> viable and practical solutions to the current ills of society in the United
>>>>> States and the wider world.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:45 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a new working group for the consolidation of the Principles
>>>>>> of Solidarity of the Wall Street Occupation
>>>>>> http://www.nycga.net/groups/principles-of-solidarity-consolidation/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are synthesizing and consolidating the Principles of Solidarity of
>>>>>> the Wall Street Occupation. These principles were drafted in the General
>>>>>> Assembly break out groups during the first days and weeks of the occupation.
>>>>>> There have been three drafts of this document thus far; each consolidated
>>>>>> draft was returned to the General Assembly and again edited by GA break out
>>>>>> groups. The last draft (#3) passed with consensus on September 23. It, along
>>>>>> with the Declaration, are the only documents with GA consensus. This
>>>>>> (working) draft is online at: nycga.net/resources/principles-of-solidarity.
>>>>>> We will be posting it here as well. This working draft, however, is not
>>>>>> complete (it passed with consensus as a working draft), we are moving the
>>>>>> fourth draft along and we aim for consensus as soon as possible (keeping in
>>>>>> mind that Principles of Solidarity is a living document).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The principles document aims to be as inclusive as possible and keeps
>>>>>> in mind the realistic parameters, i.,e. principles of solidarity originated
>>>>>> here in the square and was drafted by using the direct democratic process of
>>>>>> the GA. It is important for this document to remain true to the process in
>>>>>> which it was created. To be clear, the Consolidation group does not write
>>>>>> the principles of the occupation, we only figure out how to structure a
>>>>>> bullet point or sentence that includes everyone’s input abut the same
>>>>>> principle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The members of this group have been busy with other tasks recently,
>>>>>> but we are giving our best efforts to move this document along. We are still
>>>>>> working on the fourth (and complete) draft. This is the first time we are
>>>>>> putting working drafts online that have yet to gain GA consensus. We welcome
>>>>>> your edits, suggestions, and thoughts. It would especially be helpful to
>>>>>> include what you are responding to directly (one idea would be to copy and
>>>>>> paste the line or principle you are editing). We will be synthesizing these
>>>>>> principles next week (possibly after another GA break out group) and will
>>>>>> hopefully bring it to the GA for consensus on the full draft in the next
>>>>>> week or two (this may be an unrealistic goal…). The documents are also here
>>>>>> for transparency, accessibility, and to familiarize new comers to the
>>>>>> principles document.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HOW TO GET INVOLVED:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Make edits!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Leave Comments and/or suggestions about the document (including
>>>>>> structure, voice, tone, etc.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. If you’re interested in synthesizing the principles please send an
>>>>>> email to:principlesofsolidarity@gmail.com. We are trying to arrange a
>>>>>> meeting for next week. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the task,
>>>>>> consolidation operates best with just a handful of people (we are looking
>>>>>> for available people!), however, our meetings will discuss other structural
>>>>>> approaches to the document, the future of solidarity and like documents,
>>>>>> forums, etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rob Hollander
>> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
>> http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/
>> 622 E 11, #10
>> NYC, 10009
>> 212-228-6152
>>
>
>



--
Rob Hollander
Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/
622 E 11, #10
NYC, 10009
212-228-6152

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