From:   Alexander Penley <>
Sent time:   Friday, October 28, 2011 11:38:53 AM
Subject:   Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Urgent Nypd takes Generators this morn

So where are we with the generators which were taken? F 'em or? Just checking in...

On 28 October 2011 13:36, Martin Kaminer <> wrote:
Contacting Sustainability + Bike Generator Initiative Already Approved by GA


Here are the notes from the GA:

Proposal: Hi Im george from sustainability. You may have seen us around, we are doing things to make our community less wasteful and more energy efficient and environmentally conscious. My proposal is for a bicycle generator system that me and my colleagues are working on at the

(guy yelling where is my 40 acres and my mule repeatedly)

we apologize we are having some technical difficulties

the proposal is for a bicycle generating system that myself and sustainability and a bicycle co-op Times up will build for the park to power all appliances. For this, I am asking for a significant sum of money. Electrical equipment is expensive. I also want to say, its not perfectly sustainable, but its better than using gas generators which are using oil from Canada and places that are very polluting. I am asking for $8,000. this will include bike parts, 10 bike stands, for 10 bike generators, charge controllers, and batteries. T The batteries are the capacity that will provide energy to the park. Our legs are the power. I hope you will accept this proposal and I love you very much.

Stack for things that are relevant and clarifying questions. I would like to remind you we are running low on time. Keep questions short and incredibly relevant.

Looks like we have a POI

Im sarah from sustainability, I believe its important to note that our plan has the capacity to provide twice the amount of power we are currently using here. Our proposal is designed to grow as we grow. Thank you.

q. Is this in addition to the bio-d generators we already passed a proposal for last week and is it necessary energy
a. it is an addition to the bio-diesel generators. We feel that using bicycles are cleaner than bio-d generators. In addition, we need both because the bio-d will be more effective for powering heat because it is inefficient to use batteries to be heating the camp. Another benefit on the topic of heat is that when it gets cold at night and in the winter, we will be able to exercise.

q. Do you have enough room for 10 bikes?
a. I am proposing 10 bikes and we will try to arrange them in a way that takes up the least amount of space. That being said, we are open to ideas to scale our bicycle generation according to the needs of both space and energy equally.

q. whats the estimated wattage per bicycle?
a. The motors are rated at 600 watts, however, our legs are not powerful enough to produce that much. Average person can produce 80 watts.

q. How long will it take to get the system ready.

POP you need to get on stack

q. How much pedaling is needed to power your system throughout the day.
a. based on our calculations, the load use of the park, we consume approximate 3 kw of an energy at media, 1 kilowatt at the other end. How much pedaling? We are ordering the batteries and I need to look at the specs to give you a precise figure, but, we have sized it so that it is realistic that during the course of the day where we have very enthusiastic riders, including tourists we need to put to work (cheering) to power the system. I would like to add that sustainability will have volunteers around
and the clock monitoring the station and people will be encouraged to pedal as much as they consume, and lots of people will pick up the slack.

q. Our view, is saving us money. Have you calculate dhow much money you will save us?
a. I have to say, I don’t have exact numbers. However, I imagine that the amount of money we are spending on gas at $4 dollars a gallon that is going to the wrong people is a lot of money.

Any other final concerns?

q. When will this system be complete.
a. We will be working everyday on the bikes and I will try to break out at least five within two weeks. I would prefer to have the whole system running within two weeks.

q. Would you be open to having other expert help you in philadelphia
a. yes please, we already have help from an organization called pedal power new york that does this kind of thing and they are very enthusiastic about all types of input for both mechanical and electrical challenges.

q. price?
a. 8000 for bikes and battery banks

q. What about using batteries in cold weather.
a. we have to think about

q. my concern is that the proposal is not very clear about the numbers and the consumption other than we need 10 bikes and $8000. everything else is vague. It doesn’t seem ready.

a. This criticism is valid to be made, I am student, I have an entry level certification. I am not a professional, however we do have electricians and mechanics who can back us up and read the proposal and agreed that this can and should be done.

We are now going to take a straw poll (medium)


you forgot friendly amendments

we will now open the floor for friendly amendments. The proposers have to agree that these are friendly.

The sustainability committee would like to remit to $5000 for 5 bikes. What is expensive is mainly the battery bank, so what matters to power the park is to have a large capacity. So i would like to reverse that to $5000

Just to clarify, the sustainability group has amended their own proposal to be for $5000. Do we have other friendly amendments?

q. two small things, we mentioned that the motors could output 600 watts, and we can put out 80. would you amend the proposal to look for smaller motors in exchange for larger motors. Also, would you use some of the funds to buy weather protection for the bikes, motors, and batteries.

a. Yes to the first, and the second is included in the proposal

q. Can you run a generator into the battery bank?
a.yes but it would be much more efficient to run the generator to the inverter and directly to whatever is being used

q. Would you consider meeting with backup engineers, putting together a very solid and technical presentation about the cold issues, and then coming again before the GA with the idea that proposal could be tabled until proven feasible?

Facilitation: So right now we have an even more amended proposal, we are taking concerns about this amended proposal

(conversation about the process)

Sustainability: At this time, we should restate the proposal as amended

to restate, I think I would like the GA to vote on the proposal that we had proposed before with the amendment that if we come to the GA again to build the larger system i first described, and that engineers have looked at, that our system would be subject to review by everyone and its sufficiency and success.

Opening the floor for clarifying questions and to speed the process along, any concerns.

Temperature check (positive)

any block?


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:27 PM, andrea ciannavei <> wrote:
i also can reach out to endurance cyclists and other enthusiasts. i would love to help get this organized if it is indeed going to get off the ground. is there someone in sustainability that we can talk to and see where they're at?

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM, andrea ciannavei <> wrote:
re spin instructors = i may be able to help with that. let me see...

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Martin Kaminer <> wrote:
Would be excellent to get spin instructors down to the square to teach classes and have one bike that faces the others . . . 

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:57 PM, andrea ciannavei <> wrote:
Occupy Spin Class.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:55 PM, J B <> wrote:

We should just build a multi bike unit and let the tourists take turns giving us power.

On Oct 28, 2011 12:48 PM, "White Hat" <> wrote:
time to look into wind generators and speed up the bike generator deployment?

white hat

On Oct 28, 2011, at 12:39, Dwayne Henry <> wrote:

Here we go

Here is the number for demonstrations held within the confines of a park

(212) 360-1319

I think these bottom two were already posted.  I know because I've been through this while working in tv production that we aren't getting any permits without insurance coverage.  (and here begins the run around).

Gaseous Fuel Permit
Fire Department New York City
Phone: (718) 999-0320 or (718) 999-1007

Generator Permit
Fire Department New York City
FDNY Generator Notification: Portable, Truck-mounted or any other kind of generator
Phone: (718) 999-0320 or (718) 999-1007


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Nicholas Isabella <> wrote:
I'm in the park working on setting up alternate power options such as a 12v battery system and backup batteries that require 4 hours of charge and last approx 24 hours

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Vlad T <> wrote:

what's the exact link?

On Oct 28, 2011 12:14 PM, "Dwayne Henry" <> wrote:
You have to apply via that link on and pay money to the city.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Dwayne Henry <> wrote:
Food vendors def have a permit.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Vlad T <> wrote:
ok do the food vendors have a permit for their generator?  can someone go talk to one and see wht the process was?  

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Dwayne Henry <> wrote:
They were within their legal rights.  We can't have a generator without getting a permit for one in this city.  I know that for a fact.  We never got a permit.  I saw on the livestream that they did ask someone for their i.d.  I just couldn't tell who the person was that gave their i.d.


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Dallas <> wrote:

can we also file a police report for stolen generator?  seriously

On Oct 28, 2011 11:56 AM, "Vlad T" <> wrote:

wylie is too slammed to deal with it today lets try to get rankin etc.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:49 AM, andrea ciannavei <> wrote:
> i emaile...

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