i know victoria, thank you. i'm on THREAD overload and my cold fingers didn't realize the two threads. meant to reply on the other thread
i got 800 emails yesterday. most of it just banter. : )
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Victoria Sobel <firstname.lastname@example.org>
michael i understand what you are saying, but it differs from what the people on the thread 'strike?' are saying- there is a call to action being planned. these threads should speak to one another, the fact that both sides are strongly advocating opposite imperatives is very dangerous.
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Victoria Sobel <email@example.com>
there is no structure that helps us understand in detail the larger implications of another GA's decisions- especiallly something this big; i'm not sure the concept of a general strike (especially one in 5 days from now) is something any of would be able to fully coordinate. honestly the break down of passed proposals even within our park is already a huge bottleneck, and there is obviously a huge issue relaying info within the park/between occupies/inside and outside of the park
its a nice thought that the website were making is simply in solidarity with an action passed across the country- but let's be real if/when we start supporting this action, OWS is complicit in the action- thats alright as long as we own up to it and remain accountable. i'm personally not comfortable with it
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Victoria Sobel <firstname.lastname@example.org>
i tend to think we should be really careful about trying to pull this thing together in such a short amount of time- i am confident we can do it in the 5 days but i'm sure we could do it better in 15
we should certainly support.
but we should be careful about calling on things we can't deliver on. regardless of what whoever says. a general strike is a hugely complicated idea. let's focus on what we're good at OCCUPYING. take some more space and build to a MASS movement where we can organize and call for a mass movement. also nov 17 will be a day to make a dent in the economy that could sow some seeds for people understanding the implications of a "general" strike.
if you're interested in a general strike and want to organize at your work place or among your friends to make that happen, help in building worker councils. hit me off list for details.
my two cents.
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Steven Macchia <email@example.com>
if you would like your thoughts heard I suggest voicing them at the GA.
Moveon should moveon, they do NOT speak for occupy and should stfu
On Oct 28, 2011 4:16 PM, "Urbaned" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
YOU GUYS SHOULD STOP RIGHT NOW.
I just had a 2-hour conversation with the director of moveon here in Oakland. The so-called "organizer" of the strike is a hugely disgruntled former-employee who managed to get many people fired because of his belligerent actions.
Strikes are 1940's. These days, we need to have non-violent training and Restorative Justice sessions. Stop knee-jerk reacting, start thinking, and focus on the 1% (not the 99%, who you are "striking against").