From:   Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:27:24 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Principles of Solidarity of the Wall Street Occupation
 

I'm not terribly invested in the specific wording of this, but maybe this could be a good time for the phrase "global citizens"? Totally corporate thing in most of its existing usage, but hey, reappropriation! and I think it makes the point of even if you're not an Official United States Citizen As Determined by the INS™, you can be (and indeed, are) a politically involved human being

--glj

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Charlie Grapski <cjgrapski@gmail.com> wrote:
Marisa,

On point 1 - it is not engaging OF citizens - but engaging AS citizens.

And citizen should not necessarily be taken as an exclusive comment.  It is merely the role of the individual - and indeed the highest "office" - in a democratic form of government.

But the most important clarification - is that it is not saying to "engage citizens" but to "engage AS citizens."

Not sure if that satisfies your concern.

But I do think we need to take back the strong notion of citizen and citizenship.  The Movement itself is already engaging AS "citizens."  And it is engaging ON BEHALF of ALL ("technical" citizenship not being the criteria of concern).

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
I would block this document. 

Engaging as citizens in direct and transparent participatory democracy
We should engage people or human beings not "citizens."
Think of all the non-citizens living in this country. 
We should not exclude them in this document.

Reforming our social and political institutions and processes to achieve true democracy in practice
True democracy will never come with reforms. 
Many of us on this list and in the greater occupy movement are in it for revolution!

Re-establishing a viable political public sphere; 
The notion of a public sphere as defined by Habermas is bourgeois.
We should seek to liberate space. 

Exercising personal and collective responsibility
Ok. This is general enough that I can't be opposed to it. 

Recognizing the inherent rights of individuals and the influence these have on social interactions
Liberty goes beyond the framework of rights. 
We should assume freedom not ask for it or seek to own it. 

Empowering one another against all forms of oppression
I'm all for taking on oppression, but the wording of this awkward, 
and I'd run it by the POC Caucus.

Redefining and revaluing labor
This is unclear, but I'm intrigued.

Respecting the sanctity of individual privacy.
There is too much emphasis here on the individual and not the collective. 
It's unclear.

Establishing the principle that education is a human right and a societal responsibility;
What kind of education? Who is doing the educating?

Endeavoring to practice and support the wide application of open source principles and concepts.

Ok. I'm down with open source



Let's not loose sight of our utopian visions in favor of familiar frameworks. 

In solidarity, 
Marisa


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Charlie Grapski <cjgrapski@gmail.com> wrote:
I have signed up.  Here is a PDF with the revisions clearly marked with strikeout and amend.


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
Charlie, It is hard to find where the differences are, it may be better if you send your comments to http://www.nycga.net/groups/principles-of-solidarity-consolidation/ and/or if you join the working group that will consolidate the thoughts and comments of everybody else.
Cesar 


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Charlie Grapski <cjgrapski@gmail.com> wrote:
I have made, offered, and sent the following revisions.  Please comment:

On September 17, 2011, people from across the United States of America and the world joined together to protest the injustices blatant in our times that are being perpetuated by economic and political elites within a corrupted social, political, and economic system.  

 

As individuals we rose up against systematic political disenfranchisement and widespread social and economic injustice.  We spoke out, resisted, and successfully occupied Wall Street.  

 

Today, we proudly remain in Liberty Square constituting ourselves as a community of autonomous political beings engaged in non-violent civil disobedience and building solidarity based on mutual respect, acceptance, and love.  

 

We have been joined in these efforts by Occupations across the Nation and the globe in a Movement that continues to grow.

 

It is from these reclaimed grounds that we say to all Americans and to the world:

 

Enough!  How many crises does it take?  The time has come for action.  We are the 99% and we are acting to reclaim our mortgaged future. Through direct democratic process we have come together as individuals and crafted the following principles of solidarity.  These points of unity include but are not limited to:

  • Engaging as citizens in direct and transparent participatory democracy;
  • Reforming our social and political institutions and processes to achieve true democracy in practice;
  • Re-establishing a viable political public sphere;
  • Exercising personal and collective responsibility;
  • Recognizing the inherent rights of individuals and the influence these have on social interactions;
  • Empowering one another against all forms of oppression;
  • Redefining and revaluing labor;
  • Respecting the sanctity of individual privacy;
  • Establishing the principle that education is a human right and a societal responsibility; and
  • Endeavoring to practice and support the wide application of open source principles and concepts.

We dare to imagine an alternative social, political, and economic system that offers and ensures greater possibilities of equality and justice.  

We will continue to formulate and consolidate the principles of solidarity which unite us and will seek in due time to translate these into viable and practical solutions to the current ills of society in the United States and the wider world.

 



On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:45 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a new working group for the consolidation of the Principles of Solidarity of the Wall Street Occupation

http://www.nycga.net/groups/principles-of-solidarity-consolidation/

We are synthesizing and consolidating the Principles of Solidarity of the Wall Street Occupation. These principles were drafted in the General Assembly break out groups during the first days and weeks of the occupation. There have been three drafts of this document thus far; each consolidated draft was returned to the General Assembly and again edited by GA break out groups. The last draft (#3) passed with consensus on September 23. It, along with the Declaration, are the only documents with GA consensus. This (working) draft is online at: nycga.net/resources/principles-of-solidarity. We will be posting it here as well. This working draft, however, is not complete (it passed with consensus as a working draft), we are moving the fourth draft along and we aim for consensus as soon as possible (keeping in mind that Principles of Solidarity is a living document).

The principles document aims to be as inclusive as possible and keeps in mind the realistic parameters, i.,e. principles of solidarity originated here in the square and was drafted by using the direct democratic process of the GA. It is important for this document to remain true to the process in which it was created. To be clear, the Consolidation group does not write the principles of the occupation, we only figure out how to structure a bullet point or sentence that includes everyone’s input abut the same principle.

The members of this group have been busy with other tasks recently, but we are giving our best efforts to move this document along. We are still working on the fourth (and complete) draft. This is the first time we are putting working drafts online that have yet to gain GA consensus. We welcome your edits, suggestions, and thoughts. It would especially be helpful to include what you are responding to directly (one idea would be to copy and paste the line or principle you are editing). We will be synthesizing these principles next week (possibly after another GA break out group) and will hopefully bring it to the GA for consensus on the full draft in the next week or two (this may be an unrealistic goal…). The documents are also here for transparency, accessibility, and to familiarize new comers to the principles document.

HOW TO GET INVOLVED:

1. Make edits!

2. Leave Comments and/or suggestions about the document (including structure, voice, tone, etc.)

2. If you’re interested in synthesizing the principles please send an email to:principlesofsolidarity@gmail.com. We are trying to arrange a meeting for next week. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the task, consolidation operates best with just a handful of people (we are looking for available people!), however, our meetings will discuss other structural approaches to the document, the future of solidarity and like documents, forums, etc.







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