From:   shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:57:40 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Principles of Solidarity of the Wall Street Occupation
 

Thank you Cesar,

There are several groups of these, i can pass on this document,

Coalition for Worker & Immigrant Rights--we are going to need them to

join us as a working group, we have already formed a defacto one.

 

 

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

> I strongly suggest that you move this important discussion to the more

> public nycga group created for the purpose and that you formulate your

> suggestions with specific changes to the latest version of text. This list

> serve is now a reduced group, and we want to include and invite groups that

> are not fully represented at Liberty Plaza, such as undocumented people.

> Cesar

>

> Sent from phone

>

>

> On Oct 29, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Charlie Grapski <cjgrapski@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> I agree on the awkwardness of the oppression one.

>

> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>

> wrote:

>>

>> I would block this document.

>> Engaging as citizens in direct and transparent participatory democracy

>> We should engage people or human beings not "citizens."

>> Think of all the non-citizens living in this country.

>> We should not exclude them in this document.

>> Reforming our social and political institutions and processes to achieve

>> true democracy in practice

>> True democracy will never come with reforms.

>> Many of us on this list and in the greater occupy movement are in it for

>> revolution!

>> Re-establishing a viable political public sphere;

>> The notion of a public sphere as defined by Habermas is bourgeois.

>> We should seek to liberate space.

>> Exercising personal and collective responsibility

>> Ok. This is general enough that I can't be opposed to it.

>>

>> Recognizing the inherent rights of individuals and the influence these

>> have on social interactions

>> Liberty goes beyond the framework of rights.

>> We should assume freedom not ask for it or seek to own it.

>> Empowering one another against all forms of oppression

>> I'm all for taking on oppression, but the wording of this awkward,

>> and I'd run it by the POC Caucus.

>>

>> Redefining and revaluing labor

>> This is unclear, but I'm intrigued.

>>

>> Respecting the sanctity of individual privacy.

>> There is too much emphasis here on the individual and not the collective.

>> It's unclear.

>>

>> Establishing the principle that education is a human right and a societal

>> responsibility;

>> What kind of education? Who is doing the educating?

>> Endeavoring to practice and support the wide application of open source

>> principles and concepts.

>>

>> Ok. I'm down with open source

>>

>> Let's not loose sight of our utopian visions in favor of familiar

>> frameworks.

>> In solidarity,

>> Marisa

>>

>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Charlie Grapski <cjgrapski@gmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> I have signed up.  Here is a PDF with the revisions clearly marked with

>>> strikeout and amend.

>>>

>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Charlie, It is hard to find where the differences are, it may be better

>>>> if you send your comments

>>>> to http://www.nycga.net/groups/principles-of-solidarity-consolidation/ and/or

>>>> if you join the working group that will consolidate the thoughts and

>>>> comments of everybody else.

>>>> Cesar

>>>>

>>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Charlie Grapski <cjgrapski@gmail.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> I have made, offered, and sent the following revisions.  Please

>>>>> comment:

>>>>>

>>>>> On September 17, 2011, people from across the United States of America

>>>>> and the world joined together to protest the injustices blatant in our times

>>>>> that are being perpetuated by economic and political elites within a

>>>>> corrupted social, political, and economic system.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> As individuals we rose up against systematic political

>>>>> disenfranchisement and widespread social and economic injustice.  We spoke

>>>>> out, resisted, and successfully occupied Wall Street.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Today, we proudly remain in Liberty Square constituting ourselves as a

>>>>> community of autonomous political beings engaged in non-violent civil

>>>>> disobedience and building solidarity based on mutual respect, acceptance,

>>>>> and love.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> We have been joined in these efforts by Occupations across the Nation

>>>>> and the globe in a Movement that continues to grow.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> It is from these reclaimed grounds that we say to all Americans and to

>>>>> the world:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Enough!  How many crises does it take?  The time has come for action.

>>>>> We are the 99% and we are acting to reclaim our mortgaged future. Through

>>>>> direct democratic process we have come together as individuals and crafted

>>>>> the following principles of solidarity.  These points of unity include but

>>>>> are not limited to:

>>>>>

>>>>> Engaging as citizens in direct and transparent participatory democracy;

>>>>> Reforming our social and political institutions and processes to

>>>>> achieve true democracy in practice;

>>>>> Re-establishing a viable political public sphere;

>>>>> Exercising personal and collective responsibility;

>>>>> Recognizing the inherent rights of individuals and the influence these

>>>>> have on social interactions;

>>>>> Empowering one another against all forms of oppression;

>>>>> Redefining and revaluing labor;

>>>>> Respecting the sanctity of individual privacy;

>>>>> Establishing the principle that education is a human right and a

>>>>> societal responsibility; and

>>>>> Endeavoring to practice and support the wide application of open source

>>>>> principles and concepts.

>>>>>

>>>>> We dare to imagine an alternative social, political, and economic

>>>>> system that offers and ensures greater possibilities of equality and

>>>>> justice.

>>>>>

>>>>> We will continue to formulate and consolidate the principles of

>>>>> solidarity which unite us and will seek in due time to translate these into

>>>>> viable and practical solutions to the current ills of society in the United

>>>>> States and the wider world.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:45 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There is a new working group for the consolidation of the Principles

>>>>>> of Solidarity of the Wall Street Occupation

>>>>>> http://www.nycga.net/groups/principles-of-solidarity-consolidation/

>>>>>>

>>>>>> We are synthesizing and consolidating the Principles of Solidarity of

>>>>>> the Wall Street Occupation. These principles were drafted in the General

>>>>>> Assembly break out groups during the first days and weeks of the occupation.

>>>>>> There have been three drafts of this document thus far; each consolidated

>>>>>> draft was returned to the General Assembly and again edited by GA break out

>>>>>> groups. The last draft (#3) passed with consensus on September 23. It, along

>>>>>> with the Declaration, are the only documents with GA consensus. This

>>>>>> (working) draft is online at: nycga.net/resources/principles-of-solidarity.

>>>>>> We will be posting it here as well. This working draft, however, is not

>>>>>> complete (it passed with consensus as a working draft), we are moving the

>>>>>> fourth draft along and we aim for consensus as soon as possible (keeping in

>>>>>> mind that Principles of Solidarity is a living document).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The principles document aims to be as inclusive as possible and keeps

>>>>>> in mind the realistic parameters, i.,e. principles of solidarity originated

>>>>>> here in the square and was drafted by using the direct democratic process of

>>>>>> the GA. It is important for this document to remain true to the process in

>>>>>> which it was created. To be clear, the Consolidation group does not write

>>>>>> the principles of the occupation, we only figure out how to structure a

>>>>>> bullet point or sentence that includes everyone’s input abut the same

>>>>>> principle.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The members of this group have been busy with other tasks recently,

>>>>>> but we are giving our best efforts to move this document along. We are still

>>>>>> working on the fourth (and complete) draft. This is the first time we are

>>>>>> putting working drafts online that have yet to gain GA consensus. We welcome

>>>>>> your edits, suggestions, and thoughts. It would especially be helpful to

>>>>>> include what you are responding to directly (one idea would be to copy and

>>>>>> paste the line or principle you are editing). We will be synthesizing these

>>>>>> principles next week (possibly after another GA break out group) and will

>>>>>> hopefully bring it to the GA for consensus on the full draft in the next

>>>>>> week or two (this may be an unrealistic goal…). The documents are also here

>>>>>> for transparency, accessibility, and to familiarize new comers to the

>>>>>> principles document.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> HOW TO GET INVOLVED:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 1. Make edits!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 2. Leave Comments and/or suggestions about the document (including

>>>>>> structure, voice, tone, etc.)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 2. If you’re interested in synthesizing the principles please send an

>>>>>> email to:principlesofsolidarity@gmail.com. We are trying to arrange a

>>>>>> meeting for next week. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the task,

>>>>>> consolidation operates best with just a handful of people (we are looking

>>>>>> for available people!), however, our meetings will discuss other structural

>>>>>> approaches to the document, the future of solidarity and like documents,

>>>>>> forums, etc.

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

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