From:   Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:59:10 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Cc:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Principles of Solidarity of the Wall Street Occupation
 

EXACTLY let's move to the same WEB page. The GA group mentioned a few threads before

Cesar

 

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On Oct 29, 2011, at 2:39 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:

 

> Cesar, the Principles of Solidarity--is going to erupt heated

> debates--needed ones--and welcome all contributions--and diverse

> viewpoints--and should be encouraged in a manner that in inclusive

> BUT can we all be on the same PAGE...

>

> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Charlie Grapski <cjgrapski@gmail.com> wrote:

>> I agree that the "individual" one ought to be paired with a "societal" one -

>> to emphasize the "I" and the "We" role of (I hate to use it again - but

>> please recognize my use of it versus the excluding concept) of citizens in a

>> democracy. And how the two are inherently intertwined (actually are one)

>> and interdependent (one cannot exist or flourish without the other).

>>

>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> I would block this document.

>>> Engaging as citizens in direct and transparent participatory democracy

>>> We should engage people or human beings not "citizens."

>>> Think of all the non-citizens living in this country.

>>> We should not exclude them in this document.

>>> Reforming our social and political institutions and processes to achieve

>>> true democracy in practice

>>> True democracy will never come with reforms.

>>> Many of us on this list and in the greater occupy movement are in it for

>>> revolution!

>>> Re-establishing a viable political public sphere;

>>> The notion of a public sphere as defined by Habermas is bourgeois.

>>> We should seek to liberate space.

>>> Exercising personal and collective responsibility

>>> Ok. This is general enough that I can't be opposed to it.

>>>

>>> Recognizing the inherent rights of individuals and the influence these

>>> have on social interactions

>>> Liberty goes beyond the framework of rights.

>>> We should assume freedom not ask for it or seek to own it.

>>> Empowering one another against all forms of oppression

>>> I'm all for taking on oppression, but the wording of this awkward,

>>> and I'd run it by the POC Caucus.

>>>

>>> Redefining and revaluing labor

>>> This is unclear, but I'm intrigued.

>>>

>>> Respecting the sanctity of individual privacy.

>>> There is too much emphasis here on the individual and not the collective.

>>> It's unclear.

>>>

>>> Establishing the principle that education is a human right and a societal

>>> responsibility;

>>> What kind of education? Who is doing the educating?

>>> Endeavoring to practice and support the wide application of open source

>>> principles and concepts.

>>>

>>> Ok. I'm down with open source

>>>

>>> Let's not loose sight of our utopian visions in favor of familiar

>>> frameworks.

>>> In solidarity,

>>> Marisa

>>>

>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Charlie Grapski <cjgrapski@gmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> I have signed up. Here is a PDF with the revisions clearly marked with

>>>> strikeout and amend.

>>>>

>>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Charlie, It is hard to find where the differences are, it may be better

>>>>> if you send your comments

>>>>> to http://www.nycga.net/groups/principles-of-solidarity-consolidation/ and/or

>>>>> if you join the working group that will consolidate the thoughts and

>>>>> comments of everybody else.

>>>>> Cesar

>>>>>

>>>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Charlie Grapski <cjgrapski@gmail.com>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I have made, offered, and sent the following revisions. Please

>>>>>> comment:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On September 17, 2011, people from across the United States of America

>>>>>> and the world joined together to protest the injustices blatant in our times

>>>>>> that are being perpetuated by economic and political elites within a

>>>>>> corrupted social, political, and economic system.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> As individuals we rose up against systematic political

>>>>>> disenfranchisement and widespread social and economic injustice. We spoke

>>>>>> out, resisted, and successfully occupied Wall Street.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Today, we proudly remain in Liberty Square constituting ourselves as a

>>>>>> community of autonomous political beings engaged in non-violent civil

>>>>>> disobedience and building solidarity based on mutual respect, acceptance,

>>>>>> and love.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> We have been joined in these efforts by Occupations across the Nation

>>>>>> and the globe in a Movement that continues to grow.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It is from these reclaimed grounds that we say to all Americans and to

>>>>>> the world:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Enough! How many crises does it take? The time has come for action.

>>>>>> We are the 99% and we are acting to reclaim our mortgaged future. Through

>>>>>> direct democratic process we have come together as individuals and crafted

>>>>>> the following principles of solidarity. These points of unity include but

>>>>>> are not limited to:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Engaging as citizens in direct and transparent participatory democracy;

>>>>>> Reforming our social and political institutions and processes to

>>>>>> achieve true democracy in practice;

>>>>>> Re-establishing a viable political public sphere;

>>>>>> Exercising personal and collective responsibility;

>>>>>> Recognizing the inherent rights of individuals and the influence these

>>>>>> have on social interactions;

>>>>>> Empowering one another against all forms of oppression;

>>>>>> Redefining and revaluing labor;

>>>>>> Respecting the sanctity of individual privacy;

>>>>>> Establishing the principle that education is a human right and a

>>>>>> societal responsibility; and

>>>>>> Endeavoring to practice and support the wide application of open source

>>>>>> principles and concepts.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> We dare to imagine an alternative social, political, and economic

>>>>>> system that offers and ensures greater possibilities of equality and

>>>>>> justice.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> We will continue to formulate and consolidate the principles of

>>>>>> solidarity which unite us and will seek in due time to translate these into

>>>>>> viable and practical solutions to the current ills of society in the United

>>>>>> States and the wider world.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:45 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> There is a new working group for the consolidation of the Principles

>>>>>>> of Solidarity of the Wall Street Occupation

>>>>>>> http://www.nycga.net/groups/principles-of-solidarity-consolidation/

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> We are synthesizing and consolidating the Principles of Solidarity of

>>>>>>> the Wall Street Occupation. These principles were drafted in the General

>>>>>>> Assembly break out groups during the first days and weeks of the occupation.

>>>>>>> There have been three drafts of this document thus far; each consolidated

>>>>>>> draft was returned to the General Assembly and again edited by GA break out

>>>>>>> groups. The last draft (#3) passed with consensus on September 23. It, along

>>>>>>> with the Declaration, are the only documents with GA consensus. This

>>>>>>> (working) draft is online at: nycga.net/resources/principles-of-solidarity.

>>>>>>> We will be posting it here as well. This working draft, however, is not

>>>>>>> complete (it passed with consensus as a working draft), we are moving the

>>>>>>> fourth draft along and we aim for consensus as soon as possible (keeping in

>>>>>>> mind that Principles of Solidarity is a living document).

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The principles document aims to be as inclusive as possible and keeps

>>>>>>> in mind the realistic parameters, i.,e. principles of solidarity originated

>>>>>>> here in the square and was drafted by using the direct democratic process of

>>>>>>> the GA. It is important for this document to remain true to the process in

>>>>>>> which it was created. To be clear, the Consolidation group does not write

>>>>>>> the principles of the occupation, we only figure out how to structure a

>>>>>>> bullet point or sentence that includes everyone’s input abut the same

>>>>>>> principle.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The members of this group have been busy with other tasks recently,

>>>>>>> but we are giving our best efforts to move this document along. We are still

>>>>>>> working on the fourth (and complete) draft. This is the first time we are

>>>>>>> putting working drafts online that have yet to gain GA consensus. We welcome

>>>>>>> your edits, suggestions, and thoughts. It would especially be helpful to

>>>>>>> include what you are responding to directly (one idea would be to copy and

>>>>>>> paste the line or principle you are editing). We will be synthesizing these

>>>>>>> principles next week (possibly after another GA break out group) and will

>>>>>>> hopefully bring it to the GA for consensus on the full draft in the next

>>>>>>> week or two (this may be an unrealistic goal…). The documents are also here

>>>>>>> for transparency, accessibility, and to familiarize new comers to the

>>>>>>> principles document.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> HOW TO GET INVOLVED:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 1. Make edits!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 2. Leave Comments and/or suggestions about the document (including

>>>>>>> structure, voice, tone, etc.)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 2. If you’re interested in synthesizing the principles please send an

>>>>>>> email to:principlesofsolidarity@gmail.com. We are trying to arrange a

>>>>>>> meeting for next week. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the task,

>>>>>>> consolidation operates best with just a handful of people (we are looking

>>>>>>> for available people!), however, our meetings will discuss other structural

>>>>>>> approaches to the document, the future of solidarity and like documents,

>>>>>>> forums, etc.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>>

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