From:   shaista husain <>
Sent time:   Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:39:26 AM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Principles of Solidarity?!! WINTER is here and you are all full of shit

Its not im fatalistic, but there has been issues about allowing police

into liberty as well as ambulances--but despite our own rules, the

FDNY stil has the ability to walk in and confiscate our property.

When folks are getting sick ambulance must be called in--that is the

policy at medic, as far as i know.


On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Cesar <> wrote:

> You do not have to justify your absence, I already know, but functionality

> should not depend on a few people. I am not fatalistic, we just have to

> adres the problems mentioned in the other thread.

> Cesar


> Sent from phone



> On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Amin Husain <> wrote:


> We are failing and succeeding in many ways.  We learn, we mobilize, we

> adjust, we correct, and we charge on.  I hear you Cesar, but I know we are

> all doing our best.  I could list what I have been working on.  And detail

> why I was  not able to do more.  And how bad I feel for out campers.

>  Instead, we should all use this weather to prepare for the winter, a

> sustainable weather prepared encampment.  Solidarity ( not empty but varied

> in manifestation ).

> On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Winter Siroco <> wrote:


> Actually Robert was right.

> The response to the cold weather was totally inappropriate. After reading

> this, I went from 60 Wall St. to Liberty Plaza, and I realized that we were

> failing in many ways...

> Cesar


> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho

> <> wrote:


>> It is deeply disturbing to me to see people discussing principles of

>> solidarity from the confort of your computers when our greatest enemy,

>> WINTER, knocked on our door. Tarps are not holding the snow, tents are

>> soaked inside and freezing, people here at camp are feeling the punch, and

>> people keep fighting for stupid details of something that is absent in their

>> very actions and attitudes: Solidarity. The conversation needs to be

>> shifted, our only concern right now should be the simple statement: we are

>> freezing, we need help, we must have the infrastructure in place to survive

>> winter. In response to this, please dont just throw your personal opinions -

>> first listen to the OCCUPIERS  holding our ground bravely, let their voice

>> be heard above all else: they are the ones directly affected. Not only in

>> NYC, but across the other occupations.


>> Robert, freezing cold day one occupier.


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