From:   Victoria Sobel <>
Sent time:   Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:54:25 AM
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: [september17discuss] WINTER AT LIBERTY PLAZA

please understand its not a issue of financial organization- this is a larger overarching problem of how groups need to form budgets. not just budgets for onetime large purchases ( and many groups are buying simply on a need basis) but also a re-occuring (weekly/monthly) basis with the understanding that we as an occupation might incur emergencies like yesterday. 

so to answer your question in general comfort has enough socks- but when hit with weather like yesterday we blew through those reserves in a way that they needed to be kept from being fully depleted. finance just released a packet that has all of this information- it is not responsible to making any judgement calls on whether or not groups receive or ask for money it is more realistically a book-keeping committee meant to organize spending/fundraising/asset trends and report them back. it wasnt really possible to do this until recently because none of the trends had normalized in a way that would have been beneficial to look at.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:52 PM, anya <> wrote:
I don't understand - the plaza has collected something int the range of 200,000 dollars? why do i still see things like: we need socks!!!!! what's wrong with the financial organization? 

2011/10/30 Christian Smith-Socaris <>

On 10/30/2011 12:08 PM, Nikolas Gelormino wrote:
I slept at zuccotti last night and I was prepared so it wasn't bad at all. this was my first night and I set up around 11pm in the snow/rain.

three important things to establish are:

-staying dry: you need to have a tent with a fly or really well anchored tarp. if youre getting wet, you will get very cold and you wont be able to bring up your body temperature naturally.

-keep warm air in: your body creates heat so trap it in. again, the fly or tarp works with this. eliminate breezes and drafts as much as possible. it sounds silly and excessive but a tent within a tent is another way to trap the heat in by creating two layers of air.

-keep distance off the floor: if you have a mat, or tarp or anything to buffer the coldness of the ground you will be much warmer.

artificial heating elements will do little if you don't try to establish these basics. the less we rely on gas powered energy the less we will need to spend, the less we will be reliant on the city's "permitting" us to run these generators. it might seem wasteful to spend the money on good tents and sleeping bags but you save in the long run because they work way better to keep out water and keep in your body heat.

just some thoughts from my camping experience.



On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Cari Machet <> wrote:
battery heated options:

On 10/30/11, Bruce Wagner <> wrote:
> For those who've been down there tonight, how would you say people are
> holding up?
> On Oct 29, 2011 5:10 PM, "Andrea Ciannavei" <>
> wrote:
>> is there an email list for any churches/synagogues/mosques that support
>> OWS. maybe they can open their churches or event spaces for people to be?
>> On Oct 29, 2011, at 5:07 PM, beka economopoulos wrote:
>> Agreed, the "ask" is not "please come to Liberty Park" -- we don't need
>> bodies there as much as we need:
>> *
>> 1) Please drop off winter gear donations needed, as outlined in the list
>> below. * (I don't understand what the problem with dropping off stuff at
>> the UFT building is - that has been the OWS storage space for several
>> weeks
>> now, it is where everything is being stored and sorted and it is where we
>> need materials ASAP.  If that is a big problem please go straight to the
>> Comfort Station inside the park, but that effs up our systems a bit,
>> better
>> to go to OWS storage space at 52 Broadway.
>> *2) Plan for opening up homes or indoor spaces for folks to sleep
>> tonight.  *I'm not on this...anyone else?  Status update?
>> Also: if materials can't be donated today/tonight, or tomorrow, they can
>> be shipped (or purchased and arranged delivery) to this address:
>> *Shipping address:*
>> 118a Fulton St
>> PO Box 205
>> NY NY 10038
>> *Dropping off in person:*
>> Daily until 9pm at the United Federation of Teachers building, ground
>> floor, 52 Broadway Ave.
>> After 9pm at the OWS Comfort Station on the east side of Liberty Square
>> (aka Zuccotti Park)
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Victoria Sobel
>> <>wrote:
>>> marissa i think more than getting people down here we need a solid plan
>>> for where to put people tonight. ive been here all day and we'll be fine
>>> but i have very SERIOUS concerns for a majority of the park that is not
>>> as
>>> well prepared. yes we do need all those supplies but moreso we need to
>>> start moving bodies. there will be enough people hold the space.
>>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:41 PM, beka economopoulos <
>>>> wrote:
>>>> *Hi, here is a list of urgent needs:*
>>>> -* insulated gloves, wool hats, scarves
>>>> - long underwear / smart wool thermal socks
>>>> - 300 hand warmers, 300 foot warmers
>>>> - waterproof boots in all sizes
>>>> - disposable shoe covers
>>>> - winter coats
>>>> - hot beverages
>>>> - thermal heaters
>>>> - all weather sub-thermal sleeping bags
>>>> - tarps
>>>> - insulating tents; foam padding for inside of tents
>>>> - wooden pallets to get tents off the ground
>>>> - cots to get people off the ground*
>>>> It sounds like we have plywood for pallets and some tarps lined up for
>>>> today.  Have 160 sub-zero sleeping bags that were just delivered today
>>>> *but
>>>> need more*!  The hand warmers and foot warmers would be greatly
>>>> appreciated ASAP.  Winter gear, waterproof boots of all sizes,
>>>> disposable
>>>> shoe covers, mens/women's long underwear, cots are all needed.
>>>> *Items can be dropped off today and tomorrow (or all week) until 9pm at
>>>> 52 Broadway where we have ground floor storage in the United Federation
>>>> of
>>>> Teachers building.
>>>> After 9pm donations can go to the Comfort station on the east side of
>>>> Liberty Park (aka zuccotti park).  *
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Beka
>>>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:21 PM, <
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> shovels?
>>>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>>>> From: Marisa Holmes <>
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] WINTER AT LIBERTY PLAZA
>>>>> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:19:47 +0300
>>>>> People Need the Following:
>>>>>  Emergency Blankets
>>>>> Dry Socks, Gloves, and Hats
>>>>> Payless gift certificates for Shoes
>>>>> Towels
>>>>> Plastic Bins
>>>>> 3 post tents
>>>>> In solidarity,�
>>>>> Marisa
>>>>> 2011/10/29 Conor Tom�Reed <>
>>>>>> Big ditto to Marisa's call, but let's also be sure to notify the camp
>>>>>> that this is only a brief snow-flash. Next week will get warmer, so
>>>>>> we'll
>>>>>> have some time to figure out winter plans.
>>>>>> snow solidarity!
>>>>>> -Conor
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Marisa Holmes <
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi everyone!
>>>>>>> There is urgent support needed at Liberty Plaza.�
>>>>>>> Winter has hit hard, and it is cold and wet.�
>>>>>>> The occupiers request that everyone come�
>>>>>>> as soon as possible to help with the transition.�
>>>>>>> Reach out to your networks.�
>>>>>>> This is a crucial turning point in the struggle.�
>>>>>>> I have been at home in front of my computer,�
>>>>>>> but I'm going back to streets.�
>>>>>>> I hope to see you there.�
>>>>>>> In solidarity,�
>>>>>>> Marisa�
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