From:   tim@timothyeastman.com
Sent time:   Sunday, October 30, 2011 12:46:42 PM
To:   globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: [september17discuss] WINTER ATLIBERTY PLAZA
 

I've read reviews on these shirts bc I thought they seemed pretty good,

and supposedly they are somewhat warming but really not so

super-warming as the ads might lead you to believe. I haven't actually

worn them though so I can't speak from experience, maybe there are some

people who own these shirts who could say more about them.

Just in case that helps...

 

Tim

 

 

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:29:19 -0500, anya <sunmoonpluto@gmail.com> wrote:

Huh? the body-heating shirts on EACH person on the

plaza doesn't adress the issue? and 4K is what - 2% of the donation

pool - are you serious? this i exactly why we are not ready for the

winter - people seem to have hard times embracing simple and effective

solutions... and int this particular case also a technologically

advances solution - the shirts i am talking about are made out of a

fancy Japanese material that turns your sweat into heat - and they

JUST started selling them in USA this October -  i just can't wrap my

head around how it is NOT addressing the winter issues!?

>

> 2011/10/30 Nikolas Gelormino <ngelormino@gmail.com>

>

> proposing these ideas over email is one thing. actually sitting

> down with a working group and putting together a proposal and a

> budget is another thing. 

>

> tshirts arent the only means of keeping warm and dry. that seems like

> $4000 spent on something that wouldnt even address the real issue of

> winter coming.

>

> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:02 PM, anya <sunmoonpluto@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> my question is WHERE those hundreds of thousands of dollars

> are??? Who has them and how are they being distributed? I mean..

> the square receives ~10K a day in donations.. where do they go

> to?! 

> When i stayed on the square there were no sleeping bags even

> available and i got sick eventually. 

>

> I want to see the transparent budget distribution for the donations

> and see people just go to the UNIGLO store and buy 200 of these

> Tshirts: 

> http://www.uniqlo.com/us/CPaGoods/itemcode=069409

> they heat you up as you sweat and they are only 

> $20  each. I was trying to figure out how to get this shirts to the

> square already for a MONTH!!! the ways you, guys

> there interact with the outside world and handle donations is just

> a mess. Please, get organized - and go buy the fucking shirts! 

>

> anya

>

> 2011/10/30 Victoria Sobel <victoria@showpaper.org>

>

> please understand its not a issue of financial organization-

> this is a larger overarching problem of how groups need to form

> budgets. not just budgets for onetime large purchases ( and many

> groups are buying simply on a need basis) but also a re-occuring

> (weekly/monthly) basis with the understanding that we as an

> occupation might incur emergencies like yesterday.  so to answer

> your question in general comfort has enough socks- but when hit with

> weather like yesterday we blew through those reserves in a way that

> they needed to be kept from being fully depleted. finance just

> released a packet that has all of this information- it is not

> responsible to making any judgement calls on whether or not groups

> receive or ask for money it is more realistically a book-keeping

> committee meant to organize spending/fundraising/asset trends and

> report them back. it wasnt really possible to do this until recently

> because none of the trends had normalized in a way that would have

> been beneficial to look at. On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:52 PM, anya

> <sunmoonpluto@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> I don't understand - the plaza has collected something int the

> range of 200,000 dollars? why do i still see things like: we need

> socks!!!!! what's wrong with the financial organization? 

>

> 2011/10/30 Christian Smith-Socaris <c.smith.socaris@gmail.com>

>

> +1

>

> On 10/30/2011 12:08 PM, Nikolas Gelormino wrote: I slept at

> zuccotti last night and I was prepared so it wasn't bad at all. this

> was my first night and I set up around 11pm in the snow/rain. three

> important things to establish are:

>

> -staying dry: you need to have a tent with a fly or really well

> anchored tarp. if youre getting wet, you will get very cold and you

> wont be able to bring up your body temperature naturally.

>

> -keep warm air in: your body creates heat so trap it in. again, the

> fly or tarp works with this. eliminate breezes and drafts as much as

> possible. it sounds silly and excessive but a tent within a tent is

> another way to trap the heat in by creating two layers of air.

>

> -keep distance off the floor: if you have a mat, or tarp or anything

> to buffer the coldness of the ground you will be much warmer.

>

> artificial heating elements will do little if you don't try to

> establish these basics. the less we rely on gas powered energy the

> less we will need to spend, the less we will be reliant on the city's

> "permitting" us to run these generators. it might seem wasteful to

> spend the money on good tents and sleeping bags but you save in the

> long run because they work way better to keep out water and keep in

> your body heat.

>

> just some thoughts from my camping experience.

>

> -n

>

> -

>

> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> battery heated options:

>

> http://www.amazon.com/Qfiber-Body-Wrap-Portable-Powered/dp/B002J9P31G

>

> http://www.beurer.com/web/en/product/flexible_heating/special_heating_pads/special_heating_pads.php

>

> http://www.globalindustrial.com/c/work-benches/mats-carpets/heated?infoParam.campaignId=T9A&gclid=CNaA5PuAkKwCFUZd5QodiG-Aow

>

> http://www.globalindustrial.com/g/work-benches/mats-carpets/heated/heattrak-snow-ice-melting-walkway-mats

>

> http://www.globalindustrial.com/g/work-benches/mats-carpets/heated/powerblanket-multi-duty-thawing-blankets

>

> http://www.activeforever.com/p-25680-venture-heat-heated-stadium-seat-cushion.aspx?cm_mmc=froogle-_-na-_-venture-heat-heated-stadium-seat-cushion-_-50464

>

> http://cozywinters.com/shop/bench-warmer.html

>

> http://cozywinters.com/battery-heated-clothing.html

>

> On 10/30/11, Bruce Wagner <bruce@onlyonetv.com> wrote:

> > For those who've been down there tonight, how would you say people are

> > holding up?

> > On Oct 29, 2011 5:10 PM, "Andrea Ciannavei" <andrea.ciannavei@gmail.com>

> > wrote:

> >

> >> is there an email list for any churches/synagogues/mosques that support

> >> OWS. maybe they can open their churches or event spaces for people to be?

> >>

> >>

> >> On Oct 29, 2011, at 5:07 PM, beka economopoulos wrote:

> >>

> >> Agreed, the "ask" is not "please come to Liberty Park" -- we don't need

> >> bodies there as much as we need:

>

> >> *

> >> 1) Please drop off winter gear donations needed, as outlined in the list

>

> >> below. * (I don't understand what the problem with dropping off stuff at

> >> the UFT building is - that has been the OWS storage space for several

> >> weeks

> >> now, it is where everything is being stored and sorted and it is where we

> >> need materials ASAP.  If that is a big problem please go straight to the

> >> Comfort Station inside the park, but that effs up our systems a bit,

> >> better

> >> to go to OWS storage space at 52 Broadway.

> >>

>

> >> *2) Plan for opening up homes or indoor spaces for folks to sleep

> >> tonight.  *I'm not on this...anyone else?  Status update?

> >>

> >> Also: if materials can't be donated today/tonight, or tomorrow, they can

> >> be shipped (or purchased and arranged delivery) to this address:

> >>

>

> >> *Shipping address:*

> >> 118a Fulton St

> >> PO Box 205

> >> NY NY 10038

> >>

>

> >> *Dropping off in person:*

> >> Daily until 9pm at the United Federation of Teachers building, ground

> >> floor, 52 Broadway Ave.

> >> After 9pm at the OWS Comfort Station on the east side of Liberty Square

> >> (aka Zuccotti Park)

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Victoria Sobel

> >> <victoria@showpaper.org>wrote:

> >>

> >>> marissa i think more than getting people down here we need a solid plan

> >>> for where to put people tonight. ive been here all day and we'll be fine

> >>> but i have very SERIOUS concerns for a majority of the park that is not

> >>> as

> >>> well prepared. yes we do need all those supplies but moreso we need to

> >>> start moving bodies. there will be enough people hold the space.

> >>>

> >>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:41 PM, beka economopoulos <

> >>> beka@notanalternative.net> wrote:

> >>>

>

> >>>> *Hi, here is a list of urgent needs:*

> >>>>

> >>>> -* insulated gloves, wool hats, scarves

> >>>> - long underwear / smart wool thermal socks

> >>>> - 300 hand warmers, 300 foot warmers

> >>>> - waterproof boots in all sizes

> >>>> - disposable shoe covers

> >>>> - winter coats

> >>>> - hot beverages

> >>>> - thermal heaters

> >>>> - all weather sub-thermal sleeping bags

> >>>> - tarps

> >>>> - insulating tents; foam padding for inside of tents

> >>>> - wooden pallets to get tents off the ground

>

> >>>> - cots to get people off the ground*

> >>>>

> >>>> It sounds like we have plywood for pallets and some tarps lined up for

> >>>> today.  Have 160 sub-zero sleeping bags that were just delivered today

>

> >>>> *but

> >>>> need more*!  The hand warmers and foot warmers would be greatly

> >>>> appreciated ASAP.  Winter gear, waterproof boots of all sizes,

> >>>> disposable

> >>>> shoe covers, mens/women's long underwear, cots are all needed.

> >>>>

>

> >>>> *Items can be dropped off today and tomorrow (or all week) until 9pm at

> >>>> 52 Broadway where we have ground floor storage in the United Federation

> >>>> of

> >>>> Teachers building.

> >>>>

> >>>> After 9pm donations can go to the Comfort station on the east side of

>

> >>>> Liberty Park (aka zuccotti park).  *

> >>>>

> >>>> Thanks,

> >>>>

> >>>> Beka

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:21 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <

> >>>> acpollack2@juno.com> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>> shovels?

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> ---------- Original Message ----------

> >>>>> From: Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>

> >>>>> To: september17@googlegroups.com

> >>>>> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] WINTER AT LIBERTY PLAZA

> >>>>> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:19:47 +0300

> >>>>>

> >>>>> People Need the Following:

> >>>>>  Emergency Blankets

> >>>>> Dry Socks, Gloves, and Hats

> >>>>> Payless gift certificates for Shoes

> >>>>> Towels

> >>>>> Plastic Bins

> >>>>> 3 post tents

> >>>>> In solidarity,�

> >>>>> Marisa

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> 2011/10/29 Conor Tom�Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> Big ditto to Marisa's call, but let's also be sure to notify the camp

> >>>>>> that this is only a brief snow-flash. Next week will get warmer, so

> >>>>>> we'll

> >>>>>> have some time to figure out winter plans.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USNY0996

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> snow solidarity!

> >>>>>> -Conor

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com

> >>>>>> > wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Hi everyone!

> >>>>>>> There is urgent support needed at Liberty Plaza.�

> >>>>>>> Winter has hit hard, and it is cold and wet.�

> >>>>>>> The occupiers request that everyone come�

> >>>>>>> as soon as possible to help with the transition.�

> >>>>>>> Reach out to your networks.�

> >>>>>>> This is a crucial turning point in the struggle.�

> >>>>>>> I have been at home in front of my computer,�

> >>>>>>> but I'm going back to streets.�

> >>>>>>> I hope to see you there.�

> >>>>>>> In solidarity,�

> >>>>>>> Marisa�

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> --

> >>>> Watch our new Kickstarter video!

> >>>> http://kickstarter.com/projects/naa/nospace

> >>>>

> >>>> Not An Alternative

> >>>> http://notanalternative.com

> >>>>

> >>>> Fission Strategy

>

> >>>> http://fissionstrategy.com*

> >>>> *

> >>>>

> >>>> Phone: 917-202-5479

> >>>> Skype: bekamop

> >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >> --

> >> Watch our new Kickstarter video!

> >> http://kickstarter.com/projects/naa/nospace

> >>

> >> Not An Alternative

> >> http://notanalternative.com

> >>

> >> Fission Strategy

>

> >> http://fissionstrategy.com*

> >> *

> >>

> >> Phone: 917-202-5479

> >> Skype: bekamop

> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop

> >>

> >>

> >> Andrea Ciannavei

> >> andrea.ciannavei@gmail.com

> >> 646-326-4896

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

>

> --

> Cari Machet

> NYC 646-436-7795

> carimachet@gmail.com

> AIM carismachet

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>

> -- Anna Petrova

>

> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people

> to do nothing. "~  Edmund Burke

> "Disillusionment is always a wrack. Especially when Illusions are so

> sanguine and happy"  ~  phy 

> "They call it 'American Dream' because you have to be asleep to

> believe it"  ~  George Carlin"A goal without a plan is just a

> wish."  ~  Antoine de Saint-Exupery

> "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived

> forwards"  ~  Soren Kierkgaard.

> "If you do nothing there is one thing we can promise you, nothing

> will happen."  ~  Jacque Fresco 

>

> -- Anna Petrova

>

> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people

> to do nothing. "~  Edmund Burke

> "Disillusionment is always a wrack. Especially when Illusions are so

> sanguine and happy"  ~  phy 

> "They call it 'American Dream' because you have to be asleep to

> believe it"  ~  George Carlin"A goal without a plan is just a

> wish."  ~  Antoine de Saint-Exupery

> "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived

> forwards"  ~  Soren Kierkgaard.

> "If you do nothing there is one thing we can promise you, nothing

> will happen."  ~  Jacque Fresco 

>

> -- Anna Petrova

>

> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people

> to do nothing. "~  Edmund Burke

> "Disillusionment is always a wrack. Especially when Illusions are so

> sanguine and happy"  ~  phy 

> "They call it 'American Dream' because you have to be asleep to

> believe it"  ~  George Carlin"A goal without a plan is just a

> wish."  ~  Antoine de Saint-Exupery

> "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived

> forwards"  ~  Soren Kierkgaard.

> "If you do nothing there is one thing we can promise you, nothing

> will happen."  ~  Jacque Fresco 

>

>

 

 

 

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