From:   Victoria Sobel <>
Sent time:   Sunday, October 30, 2011 1:24:35 PM
Subject:   Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] #WINTER Why can't we just BUY provisions???

it seems a little rud to start a new thread when people are answering your questions- i'll leave you with this which you ignored::

i'm sorry i feel like you're getting completely out of line- we're trying to funnel your efforts to a place where they can actually be heard and discussed. i happen to agree with nick- you seem to not have a grasp of how quickly materials are distributed through the site. i am familiar with the technology used in these t-shirts, personally i'm not convinced that they are better than some actual camping gear. that of course is my personal opinon- not the groups. however- from having lived on site i can tell you affirmitively that the turn over of goods in comfort is such that 200 of these tshirts would FLY in one day potentially and such that they actually wouldnt help us "prepare" for the winter in any sustainable way. 200 of these shirts isnt even close to enough to get one for every full time occupier who participates in working groups- not to mentions the additional hundreds which occupy the park, or people who come here simply for a warm meal or some dry clothes. i am interested in how your proposal would address these issues- would we just continue to buy 200 t shirts per day just because we could give them out?? your proposal makes alot of presumptions that i think have been addressed in prior thread responses.

we havent had 200 people consistently on site since the first week. we now number well in 500-800 per night range (we're usually over 1000 during the day), and many of these people are circulating with new folks each day. how do you suppose we should address that- in addition more than these shirts every NEEDS a pair of solid waterproofed shows and underwear, socks, hats, gloves, pants and outerlayer that is ideally waterproofed- we ALL need better winterized tents. your t--shirt, covers a small minutia of the problem and the idea speaks to the fact that this is a VERY COMPLICATED process that is being worked on, constantly. if 200 of these tshirts costs 4000- then what about the fact that we need closer to 2000? and 2000 winter coats/boots/pants and BETTER TENTS, most of those supplies would last about a week. i think you are addressing the need to be forward thinking with out acknowledging that your own proposal is not, and that many people are in fact working hard on how to keep occupiers safe.

you seem to be suggesting we blindly purchase good which ARE definitely needed, but it is important to make informed decisions and trust those who are making them. or better yet, help inform those decisions at group meetings.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:05 PM, anya <> wrote:
Ok.. so, this is  really getting very ridiculous, i think that people need to get much more serious about the whole thing. 

Can somebody just answer me one question: why do we still need to be ASKING for winter provisions, while having collected about 300,000 dollars by now???? 
Why can't we just organize a team to go and buy all the sock, blankets, thermoses... etc. ?? 

just, why?