From:   Gabriel Johnson <>
Sent time:   Sunday, September 18, 2011 4:58:54 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises

Well, as a 19 year old (and relatively new to this protest scene), I

do agree with Richard's point; it is a minor thing, but certainly an

important one. On the topic of port-a-potties: Eh… maybe, but probably

not? We have somewhat sufficient bathroom facilites from the

restaurants in the area, and getting a company to rent to us when we

are a non-totally-permitted action might be difficult. Things we need

other than on this [] list (as of an hour ago,

when I left to take a quick break): Paper towels and a broom (and

probably dustpan). (Grim, is that still accurate?) Know you guys are

still standing strong; I'll be back soon.




On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:49 PM, gail zawacki <> wrote:

> Oh Gawd.  The Tar Sands and so many other climate actions I've been to,

> everyone is complaining there are too many of us old people, and not enough

> young.  Can't we just get together, in an effort to avert the worst of all

> the various converging catastrophes engineered by the wealthy and their

> corporations that shield them from liability for the damage they create -

> without losing momentum by complaining at each other??


> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Richard S. <> wrote:


>> Nice video, Nathan.  But I am not crazy about your description of the

>> GA in the beginning as "a group of young activists in New York."  Do

>> you see the problem with this?  I've sort of dropped out of the core

>> organizing, but I was involved and I am going to be 50 soon.  And I

>> know there are several other people who have been to the organizing

>> GAs, some who are very involved in this, who are older than I am.  Of

>> course, there are not enough older people, and that is one of the big

>> problems here, because if this is perceived as being exclusively a

>> youth group, that will certainly limit outreach.  And it is not going

>> to help if you publicly characterize the group as "young activists."


>> One of the biggest problems I've had as an unemployed person seeking

>> work is the ageism that is rampant in the "job market."  It is

>> unbelievable how blatant and ubiquitous this is.  And I think a larger

>> number of older people would be drawn to an oppositional movement or

>> movement of resistance if that movement did not replicate such ageism

>> in its own approach, language, self descriptions, etc., and actually

>> even sought to address this particular problem.


>> Richard


>> On Sep 18, 10:55 am, Nathan Schneider <>

>> wrote:

>> > A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or

>> > whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a

>> > few hours!

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Nathan

>> >

>> > -

>> > Nathan Schneider

>> > Editor, Waging Nonviolence