From:   Tarak Kauff <>
Sent time:   Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:03:40 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises

I know what you're talking about as far as agism Richard, but it also

works both ways. I'm also (well) over 50 in years but I didn't have

any problem with the emphasis on youth, in fact I was delighted to see

so many young people out there, taking matters into their own hands -

I didn't feel anyone was excluded by age or by any other designation.

Nathan's description was very accurate - it was predominantly "young

activists" - more power to them.


I started my activist career during the sixties and we mostly were

young then and at the leading edge as are these kids are today. I

watched them organize and manifest all day yesterday and at a few of

the general assemblies in Tompkins Square with admiration. I was there

with a number of older very active friends who have been organizing

and doing civil resistance for years (I'm with Veterans For Peace) and

we didn't have any problem there, nor with Nathan's excellent reporting.


I hope they flood Freedom PLaza in October. We need their energy,

skills and enthusiasm.


Tarak Kauff

steering commitee



On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Richard S. wrote:


Nice video, Nathan. But I am not crazy about your description of the

GA in the beginning as "a group of young activists in New York." Do

you see the problem with this? I've sort of dropped out of the core

organizing, but I was involved and I am going to be 50 soon. And I

know there are several other people who have been to the organizing

GAs, some who are very involved in this, who are older than I am. Of

course, there are not enough older people, and that is one of the big

problems here, because if this is perceived as being exclusively a

youth group, that will certainly limit outreach. And it is not going

to help if you publicly characterize the group as "young activists."


One of the biggest problems I've had as an unemployed person seeking

work is the ageism that is rampant in the "job market." It is

unbelievable how blatant and ubiquitous this is. And I think a larger

number of older people would be drawn to an oppositional movement or

movement of resistance if that movement did not replicate such ageism

in its own approach, language, self descriptions, etc., and actually

even sought to address this particular problem.




On Sep 18, 10:55 am, Nathan Schneider <>


> A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or

> whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a

> few hours!



> impr...


> Nathan


> -

> Nathan Schneider

> Editor, Waging Nonviolence