From:   gail zawacki <>
Sent time:   Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:04:47 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises

okay just trying to help from afar.  I'm too distant to deliver, what is the best (secure) way to send a (modest) financial contribution??

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Gabriel Johnson <> wrote:
Well, as a 19 year old (and relatively new to this protest scene), I
do agree with Richard's point; it is a minor thing, but certainly an
important one. On the topic of port-a-potties: Eh… maybe, but probably
not? We have somewhat sufficient bathroom facilites from the
restaurants in the area, and getting a company to rent to us when we
are a non-totally-permitted action might be difficult. Things we need
other than on this [] list (as of an hour ago,
when I left to take a quick break): Paper towels and a broom (and
probably dustpan). (Grim, is that still accurate?) Know you guys are
still standing strong; I'll be back soon.


On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:49 PM, gail zawacki <> wrote:
> Oh Gawd.  The Tar Sands and so many other climate actions I've been to,
> everyone is complaining there are too many of us old people, and not enough
> young.  Can't we just get together, in an effort to avert the worst of all
> the various converging catastrophes engineered by the wealthy and their
> corporations that shield them from liability for the damage they create -
> without losing momentum by complaining at each other??
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Richard S. <> wrote:
>> Nice video, Nathan.  But I am not crazy about your description of the
>> GA in the beginning as "a group of young activists in New York."  Do
>> you see the problem with this?  I've sort of dropped out of the core
>> organizing, but I was involved and I am going to be 50 soon.  And I
>> know there are several other people who have been to the organizing
>> GAs, some who are very involved in this, who are older than I am.  Of
>> course, there are not enough older people, and that is one of the big
>> problems here, because if this is perceived as being exclusively a
>> youth group, that will certainly limit outreach.  And it is not going
>> to help if you publicly characterize the group as "young activists."
>> One of the biggest problems I've had as an unemployed person seeking
>> work is the ageism that is rampant in the "job market."  It is
>> unbelievable how blatant and ubiquitous this is.  And I think a larger
>> number of older people would be drawn to an oppositional movement or
>> movement of resistance if that movement did not replicate such ageism
>> in its own approach, language, self descriptions, etc., and actually
>> even sought to address this particular problem.
>> Richard
>> On Sep 18, 10:55 am, Nathan Schneider <>
>> wrote:
>> > A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or
>> > whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a
>> > few hours!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Nathan
>> >
>> > -
>> > Nathan Schneider
>> > Editor, Waging Nonviolence