From:   Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:12:01 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD
 

+10 on the need for demands

It doesn't need to be 1 demand, and it doesn't need to have an ultimatum attached to it (we won't leave until...), which I think is problematic because in reality we will leave when our numbers dwindle, not when Obama passes our demand, which might be months or years from now or never. What's essential is that it be a short, simple list of demands that would represent real improvements in the country's economy. Also, the small number of people gathered in Zucotti Park is not enough to force reform from politicians - we are a seed, not the tree, so acting as though we have the power to do this on our own is misleading both to ourselves and to those watching us.

Doug


On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote:
Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the plaza.

I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand.

In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee formulated the short term "reformist" demands.  Right now, the world needs to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise everyone is going to start ignoring you.  You can also release your long-term demands, but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave the plaza.

"WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a powerful statement.


Micah





On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza.
We need to do outreach to whoever possible.
Also, we will be getting a report today from the
legal team.
Come to the 1pm General Assembly.

Marisa

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote:
> Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity with
> many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more
> ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event
> we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more noted
> amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our
> message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall
>> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be
>> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if
>> we lost the connection to Wall St.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central
>>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will
>>> frustrate Police efforts to follow.
>>>
>>> See you oguys there as soon as I can
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto
>>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was
>>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the
>>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as
>>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery
>>>>> Park?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am
>>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


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