From:   Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:32:45 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD
 

I agree that we need a WHY but that doesn't have to take the form of demands.

Assemblies decide on much more than demands.

They are a prefigurative model for a new society.

 

Marisa

 

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And

> Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there

> was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot

> understand WHY to occupywallstreet.

>

> Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the

> assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy,

> then the assembly must be able to set demands.

>

> Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's

> assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount

> to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that

> will inspire the nation.

>

> We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive

> moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands.

>

> Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how

> to improve things.

>

> Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it

> immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will

> debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the

> nation.

>

> Micah

>

> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>

> wrote:

>>

>> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process

>> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world.

>> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands.

>>

>> Marisa

>>

>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM,  <flux@fluxview.com> wrote:

>> >  "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt

>> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a

>> > powerful statement.

>> >

>> > Solidarity,

>> > ~ FluxRostrum

>> >

>> > Current Project

>> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com

>> >

>> > Home Base

>> > http://Fluxview.com

>> >

>> > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>:

>> >

>> >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the

>> >> plaza.

>> >>

>> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of

>> >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand.

>> >>

>> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the

>> >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee

>> >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands.  Right now, the world

>> >> needs

>> >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise

>> >> everyone

>> >> is

>> >> going to start ignoring you.  You can also release your long-term

>> >> demands,

>> >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you

>> >> leave

>> >> the

>> >> plaza.

>> >>

>> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that

>> >> is

>> >> a

>> >> powerful statement.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Micah

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes

>> >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote:

>> >>

>> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza.

>> >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible.

>> >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the

>> >>> legal team.

>> >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly.

>> >>>

>> >>> Marisa

>> >>>

>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow

>> >>> <disorganizecm@gmail.com>

>> >>> wrote:

>> >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity

>> >>> > with

>> >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might

>> >>> > be

>> >>> more

>> >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in

>> >>> > the

>> >>> event

>> >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more

>> >>> > noted

>> >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street.

>> >>> > Our

>> >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical

>> >>> > presence.

>> >>> >

>> >>> > Just my two cents.

>> >>> >

>> >>> >

>> >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen

>> >>> > <dougsingsen@gmail.com>

>> >>> > wrote:

>> >>> >>

>> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target

>> >>> >> Wall

>> >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It

>> >>> would be

>> >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the

>> >>> >> encampment

>> >>> if

>> >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St.

>> >>> >>

>> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <

>> >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com>

>> >>> >> wrote:

>> >>> >>>

>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is

>> >>> central

>> >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up

>> >>> >>> Broadway

>> >>> will

>> >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow.

>> >>> >>>

>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can

>> >>> >>>

>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto

>> >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >>> >>>>

>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that

>> >>> >>>> if

>> >>> was

>> >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be

>> >>> >>>> determined

>> >>> >>>> by

>> >>> the

>> >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as

>> >>> >>>> soon

>> >>> as

>> >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location.

>> >>> >>>>

>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com>

>> >>> wrote:

>> >>> >>>>>

>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or

>> >>> Battery

>> >>> >>>>> Park?

>> >>> >>>>>

>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com>

>> >>> >>>>> wrote:

>> >>> >>>>>>

>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza

>> >>> >>>>>> around

>> >>> 7am

>> >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?

>> >>> >>>>

>> >>> >>>

>> >>> >>

>> >>> >

>> >>> >

>> >>>

>> >>

>> >

>>

>

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