From:   Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:33:52 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD
 

We are not a union in the collective bargaining sense.

This isn't just about grievances.

Its about alternatives.

 

Marisa

 

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen

<allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote:

> +million, yes.

>

> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote:

>> OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And

>> Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there

>> was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot

>> understand WHY to occupywallstreet.

>>

>> Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the

>> assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy,

>> then the assembly must be able to set demands.

>>

>> Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's

>> assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount

>> to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that

>> will inspire the nation.

>>

>> We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive

>> moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands.

>>

>> Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how

>> to improve things.

>>

>> Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it

>> immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will

>> debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the

>> nation.

>>

>> Micah

>>

>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process

>>> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world.

>>> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands.

>>>

>>> Marisa

>>>

>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM,  <flux@fluxview.com> wrote:

>>> >  "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt

>>> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a

>>> > powerful statement.

>>> >

>>> > Solidarity,

>>> > ~ FluxRostrum

>>> >

>>> > Current Project

>>> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com

>>> >

>>> > Home Base

>>> > http://Fluxview.com

>>> >

>>> > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>:

>>> >

>>> >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the

>>> >> plaza.

>>> >>

>>> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of

>>> >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand.

>>> >>

>>> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the

>>> >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee

>>> >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands.  Right now, the world

>>> >> needs

>>> >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise

>>> >> everyone

>>> >> is

>>> >> going to start ignoring you.  You can also release your long-term

>>> >> demands,

>>> >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you

>>> >> leave

>>> >> the

>>> >> plaza.

>>> >>

>>> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that

>>> >> is

>>> >> a

>>> >> powerful statement.

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >> Micah

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes

>>> >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote:

>>> >>

>>> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza.

>>> >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible.

>>> >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the

>>> >>> legal team.

>>> >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly.

>>> >>>

>>> >>> Marisa

>>> >>>

>>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow

>>> >>> <disorganizecm@gmail.com>

>>> >>> wrote:

>>> >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity

>>> >>> > with

>>> >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might

>>> >>> > be

>>> >>> more

>>> >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in

>>> >>> > the

>>> >>> event

>>> >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more

>>> >>> > noted

>>> >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street.

>>> >>> > Our

>>> >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical

>>> >>> > presence.

>>> >>> >

>>> >>> > Just my two cents.

>>> >>> >

>>> >>> >

>>> >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen

>>> >>> > <dougsingsen@gmail.com>

>>> >>> > wrote:

>>> >>> >>

>>> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target

>>> >>> >> Wall

>>> >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It

>>> >>> would be

>>> >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the

>>> >>> >> encampment

>>> >>> if

>>> >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St.

>>> >>> >>

>>> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <

>>> >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com>

>>> >>> >> wrote:

>>> >>> >>>

>>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is

>>> >>> central

>>> >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up

>>> >>> >>> Broadway

>>> >>> will

>>> >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow.

>>> >>> >>>

>>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can

>>> >>> >>>

>>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto

>>> >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> >>> >>>>

>>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that

>>> >>> >>>> if

>>> >>> was

>>> >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be

>>> >>> >>>> determined

>>> >>> >>>> by

>>> >>> the

>>> >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as

>>> >>> >>>> soon

>>> >>> as

>>> >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location.

>>> >>> >>>>

>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com>

>>> >>> wrote:

>>> >>> >>>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or

>>> >>> Battery

>>> >>> >>>>> Park?

>>> >>> >>>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com>

>>> >>> >>>>> wrote:

>>> >>> >>>>>>

>>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza

>>> >>> >>>>>> around

>>> >>> 7am

>>> >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?

>>> >>> >>>>

>>> >>> >>>

>>> >>> >>

>>> >>> >

>>> >>> >

>>> >>>

>>> >>

>>> >

>>>

>>

>

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